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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman <bowman@montana.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: List of 787 MS products Date: 31 Oct 2024 20:15:40 GMT Lines: 46 Message-ID: <loi6rcF1ucsU1@mid.individual.net> References: <vfei72$2qa7c$3@dont-email.me> <671ceefd$0$411$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <vfof9k$12ou0$4@dont-email.me> <5zPTO.90214$lm45.53985@fx05.iad> <vfq1l5$1fa61$1@dont-email.me> <Me5UO.96035$afc4.31970@fx42.iad> <locfokF4oh9U2@mid.individual.net> <vfsl90$209oj$2@dont-email.me> <lof953FitbpU3@mid.individual.net> <vfv80v$2j1a8$3@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net ZjhqZXI1QrgfH/ahOK9hOAXW+xEaeK0mMGjeIDjz6JXS/0kYb7 Cancel-Lock: sha1:dYgAHNKkZC8/9lZlbMCIGY2Szhk= sha256:GUSng56KcTLxSepTchXPNTkFhLQW6GTrcFRkPuh0HjI= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Bytes: 3235 On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 06:27:43 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote: > Finland was actually part of Sweden until 1809 when it became part of > Russia in (I'm guessing) their war with Sweden. The Finns declared > independence after the Soviet Revolution and, for the most part, the > Soviets gave them their independence. So, until very recent history, I > think the relationship was more or less peaceful with a good deal of > trade between the two countries. Well, there was that little Winter War: https://www.sabaton.net/historical-facts/simo-hayha-born/ That was followed by the Continuation War with Germany on their side that led to the Brits declaring war on Finland. Then there was the Lapland War. The Moscow Armistice ended the Continuation War. Germany was already pulling back to Norway but the Soviets thought the Finns should be a little more proactive. The Finns and Germans more or less pretended to be at war. Mannerheim sent a letter to Hitler: "Our German brothers-in-arms will forever remain in our hearts. The Germans in Finland were certainly not the representatives of foreign despotism but helpers and brothers-in-arms. But even in such cases foreigners are in difficult positions requiring such tact. I can assure you that during the past years nothing whatsoever happened that could have induced us to consider the German troops intruders or oppressors. I believe that the attitude of the German Army in northern Finland towards the local population and authorities will enter our history as a unique example of a correct and cordial relationship [...] I deem it my duty to lead my people out of the war. I cannot and I will not turn the arms which you have so liberally supplied us against Germans. I harbour the hope that you, even if you disapprove of my attitude, will wish and endeavour like myself and all other Finns to terminate our former relations without increasing the gravity of the situation." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War Germany has also taken part in the Finnish Civil War in 1918 on the side of the Whites led by Mannerheim. The Reds were terminated with extreme prejudice. Germany lost WWI or there would have been a much closer link.