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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman <bowman@montana.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of Democracy Date: 5 Nov 2024 03:07:15 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <lotgf3Fnn3gU2@mid.individual.net> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <2ItTO.338744$v8v2.95701@fx18.iad> <vfltbc$7ek$1@gal.iecc.com> <ASCTO.586560$1m96.217020@fx15.iad> <vfpc6g$a0p$1@gal.iecc.com> <B17UO.740251$_o_3.409662@fx17.iad> <GV9UO.301902$kxD8.146393@fx11.iad> <loct65F6l90U2@mid.individual.net> <199392d0-9628-8177-2f3b-35b23a721dd4@example.net> <lodc4vF8rrjU1@mid.individual.net> <ddb44c1a-b458-5cce-b4d1-6258677f5621@example.net> <vft5ai$24n5h$1@dont-email.me> <086607f1-2283-f7fb-ddf9-ac4766b06530@example.net> <wfqdnZAVqbJdm776nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vfvjgt$2khfc$6@dont-email.me> <vg0n2e$2qq89$7@dont-email.me> <loiprvF4nakU1@mid.individual.net> <vg29j2$36p2h$2@dont-email.me> <1ea1cd67-c7f5-c7c8-1ab2-a4aeaea78a40@example.net> <loldl6FgohbU2@mid.individual.net> <c41ac012-31e9-8161-a825-16f335e7b846@example.net> <1720682654.752442474.582401.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <ba1383c1-e3df-c2f8-ceab-fc4eb95fece8@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 214EMzg9TNW1y1DEKmoDsgCWSuy4aiU+EuGGnBP1PmjxIINvsn Cancel-Lock: sha1:LH0PAvLhxVYh+1r+kK650ALmMMg= sha256:BERtynzSecPnnTJWRmzhbs8m0mX43CdOsRhhYdcrTcE= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Bytes: 3015 On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 21:48:18 +0100, D wrote: > I'll never trust a democrat when it comes to US history again! What else > has been hidden from me? In europe, indians are these sweet little > nature people who can do no wrong, and who were abused by the white man. > That's the only story around the european mainstream. There is that Rousseauian noble savage spin in the US too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois That's a long article but the gist is the expansion of the Iroquois confederacy was as subtle as any European nation building. They are the reason the 'Last of the Mohicans' was the last one. Quite a dew of the tribes the European settles thought of as Plains Indians had formerly lived in the eastern woodlands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfeet_Nation That's an example. Given them guns and horses and the Blackfeet tried to kill everything in sight. The only Indians killed by the Lewis and Clark expedition were Blackfeet who were trying to steal their guns and horses. Thoreau was enthralled by the artifacts he found in his wanderings around the Concord area. He was also put off by the contemporary versions. Long story short -- Indians are human. Among other things they managed to hunt many North American species to extinction so they aren't exactly ecowarriors.