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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: What composes the mass of an electron? Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:13:42 +0800 Lines: 139 Message-ID: <lougfmFsdjsU1@mid.individual.net> References: <a3b70d34ff5188e99c00b2cf098e783a@www.novabbs.com> <lolpcdFibl9U1@mid.individual.net> <672677DE.5CB2@ix.netcom.com> <lopdeqF4u40U1@mid.individual.net> <6727CF40.3F47@ix.netcom.com> <loqvd3Fc5jmU1@mid.individual.net> <67286809.392E@ix.netcom.com> <loraluFdp09U1@mid.individual.net> <67290D2E.3C06@ix.netcom.com> <lotigcFo56nU1@mid.individual.net> <6729C368.634E@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net afrxcRIBXYS4DWNP7BGaRwIsN9FH9eFVPp05VCQZTcmpf895j3 Cancel-Lock: sha1:7hSbBZMIYH/QcddVuKf5nYRHNgc= sha256:EvGBbp2OYhlIsSQFpkfkqadkMYjv7czLE2NdjTeins4= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.15.1 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <6729C368.634E@ix.netcom.com> Bytes: 5651 On 05-Nov-24 3:04 pm, The Starmaker wrote: > Sylvia Else wrote: >> >> On 05-Nov-24 2:06 am, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> >>>> On 04-Nov-24 2:22 pm, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04-Nov-24 3:30 am, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03-Nov-24 3:05 am, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 02-Nov-24 2:13 am, rhertz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> A definition of mass, as found in Google: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Mass is a measurement of the amount of matter or substance in an >>>>>>>>>>> object. >>>>>>>>>>> It's the total amount of protons, neutrons, and electrons in an object." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's "accepted" since the 60s that protons and neutrons are not >>>>>>>>>>> elementary particles anymore. As stated in the Standard Model of >>>>>>>>>>> Elementary Particles, protons and neutrons are composed of quarks, with >>>>>>>>>>> different flavors. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.quantumdiaries.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2000px-Standard_Model_of_Elementary_Particles.svg_.jpg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But electrons are thought as elementary particles, so they can't be >>>>>>>>>>> formed by a collection of other elementary particles. Even quarks are >>>>>>>>>>> currently thought as working together with elementary gluons (QCD, Gauge >>>>>>>>>>> Bossons). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, what is THE MATTER that electrons contain? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is one of many FAILS of the current SMEP. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is that the electron's mass is composed of unknown matter? Maybe of >>>>>>>>>>> electromagnetic nature? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> After all, modern civilization is based on what electrons can do, isn't >>>>>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> THEY KNOW NOTHING, AS IN RELATIVISM!. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> An expectation that everything can be explained in terms of other >>>>>>>>>> smaller things results in an infinite regression. It's not a rabbit hole >>>>>>>>>> one wants to descend into. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> While one can hypothesise that the electron is not elementary, so far >>>>>>>>>> there is nothing to suggest that it has an internal structure. Until and >>>>>>>>>> unless something comes along to indicate that it is not elementary, you >>>>>>>>>> have nothing more than empty speculation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sylvia belongs to the lemmings generation. If 'somebody nameless' says the electron does not have mass... >>>>>>>>> then Sylvia THINKS the electron has no mass. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where did I so much as suggest that the electron has no mass? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By your own words. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: "...so far >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "...there is nothing to suggest that it has an internal structure." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "...nothing to suggest that it has an internal structure." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>> empty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Slyvia, you should have wrote: : "...there is nothing to suggest that it has NO internal structure." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But instead you said: '...there is nothing to suggest that it posses an internal structure.' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are SUGGESTING the electron has NO mass. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why are you linking the lack of internal structure with the lack of mass? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 'structure' requires an arrangement of material matter...mass, a clump >>>>> if you will. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lack of of internal structure in a electron means no elements in an >>>>> electron. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lack of mass. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is inglish your second language? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> You're making unfounded assumptions about what is required for mass to >>>> exist. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> For an electron to exist, mass is required..it is where the electron >>> gets it's energy from. >>> >>> e=m >>> >>> >>> did is 3rd grade physics. >>> >> >> OK, but what has that to do with whether the electron has an internal >> structure? >> >> Sylvia. > > > An electron is made of energy and mass. Where is the energy located? On > the inside or the outside?? > > It would be located where the electron is. Sylvia.