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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: 1972 Legnano in the news Date: 10 Nov 2024 10:27:50 GMT Lines: 126 Message-ID: <lpbg56Fg7fuU2@mid.individual.net> References: <vgmf32$3ebok$1@dont-email.me> <vgmka9$3f32b$4@dont-email.me> <vgo1a0$3rpj5$1@dont-email.me> <8ncvijlu04i6u3ujr5454a6t4sciab6pud@4ax.com> <vgojai$3vdgi$1@dont-email.me> <khkvij534vgh4rs0env6sbi8gbfm8d0r4c@4ax.com> <ktmvijpcmjkjje1fdl7b7ccqqqu0aagje1@4ax.com> <lpadjrFbakvU1@mid.individual.net> <76v0jjtroprc02b7u2dihviesq23metgq8@4ax.com> <rmv0jj1k2vdbqo5vsd959qf2qkrlijlpac@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net G1Fb/ckt0s+EY8C5vOHs4gW5RTv4r9ARtKvcIpDjL5me/KQAtE Cancel-Lock: sha1:LV1fSTr2TSTxQHkK5u8Eys2fXYk= sha1:bFRW7ePOTTiF1JUxOgbXsJagv6c= sha256:gdGxxFVGF6EOyTdUhRdmeIPen9Qp3P2crXKO4IzMnBc= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Bytes: 6519 John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 04:29:51 -0500, Catrike Ryder > <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: > >> On 10 Nov 2024 00:38:19 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >> >>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 22:35:57 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl >>>> <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am Sat, 9 Nov 2024 15:13:53 -0600 schrieb Mark J cleary >>>>> <mcleary08@comcast.net>: >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/9/2024 2:28 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote: >>>>>>> Am Sat, 9 Nov 2024 10:06:26 -0600 schrieb Mark J cleary >>>>>>> <mcleary08@comcast.net>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/8/2024 9:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2024 8:49 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Check the photos here: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14061289/Emmy-award- >>>>>>>>>> winner-1970s-sitcom-unrecognizable-77-bikes-LA.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Whoa! Exposed cables! Down tube friction shifting! Center pull brakes! >>>>>>>>> 36 spoke wheels! Full sized frame pump! And she's not in a "protected" >>>>>>>>> bike lane! Is it even possible to ride that way? ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "She adhered to safety regulations by having a black helmet on, wore >>>>>>>>> pink trainers and had a red jacket tied around her waist" is nonsense. >>>>>>>>> There is no helmet regulation that applies to her. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And the jacket around her waist is not a particularly good idea, >>>>>>>>> although it's at least better than tying it around the handlebars. I >>>>>>>>> know a guy who did that and had a sleeve dangle into his front wheel. >>>>>>>>> His next couple seconds were far from fun. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Generally it is much safer to wear a helmet although no breaking a laws >>>>>>>> by not wearing one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So why don't you wear a helmet while walking or while driving your >>>>>>> car*)? People die while walking and as drivers or passengers of cars. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not sure why a black helmet is better >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some fetishs work only when blessed by a druid and when the color >>>>>>> complements the aureola. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and tying things around your waist is not a good idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Indeed. Especially, when the bike has a rack. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Better to simply leave the >>>>>>>> extra clothes on and sweat. That would be safer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Questionable. With additional clothing, a fast rider sweats more, not >>>>>>> less. The sweat just does not cool the rider if it is absorbed by the >>>>>>> clothing. Overheating harms concentration, which might become dangerous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Long pants are a better idea if you go down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Light clothing does not protect much, but can contaminate a wound. >>>>>>> Depending on the speed, it can even cause burns. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winter clothing on a sunny day seems excessive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But let's get realistic. Who expects press photos like these to be taken >>>>>>> on a real bike tour? What do we know about the journey for which this >>>>>>> clothing was intended? Only two accessories irritate me here: the helmet >>>>>>> and the shoelaces. Bicycle helmets are a misunderstanding and open >>>>>>> shoelaces next to a chainring are dangerous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *) I assume you don't, sorry if you do >>>>>>> >>>>>> I always wear a helmet and if you don't want to wear one it is free >>>>>> county, don't wear one. I am not about to argue just that I wear a helmet. >>>>> >>>>> Actually, you argued. You wrote "Generally it is much safer to wear a >>>>> helmet", see above. Which specific country are you talking about? There >>>>> are countries enforcing helmet laws for cyclists. >>>>> >>>>> My question referred to whether you wear a helmet when you walk or use a >>>>> car. Isn't it generally much safer to wear a helmet when walking or >>>>> using a car? >>>> >>>> Why does anyone care if other people wear a helmet? I sure don't. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> C'est bon >>>> Soloman >>>> >>> >>> As with number of things particularly religion and politics people do seem >>> to care intensely what others do! >>> >>> Personally as long as it doesnt harm others, crack on as you were! >>> >>> Helmets also fit into the simple but wrong vs complicated and right sort of >>> thing. And definitely not the sort of thing that should be legislated sadly >>> some places have gone that way, and some organisations just cant help >>> themselves in a something must be done sort of way. >>> >>> Luckily the uk political and cultural norms means that attempts to get it >>> legislated have always failed as the time and effort for a government to >>> give time to a bill vs the benefits, means even if it gets a MP to raise >>> it, it doesnt pass. >>> >>> Roger Merriman >> >> The world would be a better place if nanny governments would stop >> passing laws for the individual's own good; basically if everyone >> would simply mind their own business. > > > And when the next 5 year kid runs out in front of a car and ends up a > greasy spot on the road people will be shouting, "THERE OUT TO BE A > LAW! That for me hits the causes others harm, as positive as motor vehicles are, do need some regulation to keep the negatives lower. Roger Merriman