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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: 1972 Legnano in the news Date: 11 Nov 2024 08:47:39 GMT Lines: 49 Message-ID: <lpdulbFrhk8U1@mid.individual.net> References: <vgmf32$3ebok$1@dont-email.me> <vgmka9$3f32b$4@dont-email.me> <vgo1a0$3rpj5$1@dont-email.me> <8ncvijlu04i6u3ujr5454a6t4sciab6pud@4ax.com> <vgojai$3vdgi$1@dont-email.me> <vgp7fl$2sh5$3@dont-email.me> <3ic1jj5bsevrg3g4h2njh7vn762hecp5oe@4ax.com> <lpbvipFife8U1@mid.individual.net> <58u2jj9t74sk7ior8iquj15f2ai7bcouu6@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 84clmgmwhVteQD2M4tTJZgipiL+zFr1owXNyvbGj9NP1+S+Rog Cancel-Lock: sha1:JzFHzc3PKxzV84rZTJLTjAQk3cw= sha1:nAIKdnpKWHklkL02Qs7jJnz75H8= sha256:/O+2zI1mY/Lqv0FcDF2MrCRhFsfyzBNwnGq9QbJtaEc= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Bytes: 3098 John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10 Nov 2024 14:51:05 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: > >> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 21:57:56 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/9/2024 4:13 PM, Mark J cleary wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I always wear a helmet and if you don't want to wear one it is free >>>>> county, don't wear one. I am not about to argue just that I wear a helmet. >>>> >>>> Since this is a discussion group, when you make a statement like >>>> "Generally it is much safer to wear a helmet" you can expect it to be >>>> discussed. There's ample data available calling your statement into >>>> question. Wolfgang knows this. >>> >>> "Generally it is much safer to wear a helmet" >>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/ >>> An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head >>> injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were >>> related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as >>> 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented >>> annually if these riders had worn helmets. >> >> And yet places with low rates such as the Netherlands or even as helmets >> have high useage be that cultural or legal the rate hasnt been shown to >> decrease, judging helmets wearing and none is full of problems ie they tend >> to differ more likely to see kids helmets less in poorer areas which also >> are generally have more dangerous roads and so on. >> >> Just because Frank has one viewpoint doesnt mean you have to take the >> opposite you know! >> > "There's ample data available calling your statement into > question." No there are selective studies, which much like modelling ideas can’t and don’t cover everything. Hence population studies all come to the same conclusions ie no effect can be found. Doesn’t mean might not be useful individually but for a population.. > >> Roger Merriman Roger Merriman