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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: 1972 Legnano in the news
Date: 12 Nov 2024 00:20:41 GMT
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 11/11/2024 3:47 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10 Nov 2024 14:51:05 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 21:57:56 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/9/2024 4:13 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I always wear a helmet and if you don't want to wear one it is free
>>>>>>> county, don't wear one. I am not about to argue just that I wear a helmet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since this is a discussion group, when you make a statement like
>>>>>> "Generally it is much safer to wear a helmet" you can expect it to be
>>>>>> discussed. There's ample data available calling your statement into
>>>>>> question. Wolfgang knows this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Generally it is much safer to wear a helmet"
>>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/
>>>>> An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head
>>>>> injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were
>>>>> related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as
>>>>> 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented
>>>>> annually if these riders had worn helmets.
>>>> 
>>>> And yet places with low rates such as the Netherlands or even as helmets
>>>> have high useage be that cultural or legal the rate hasn’t been shown to
>>>> decrease, judging helmets wearing and none is full of problems ie they tend
>>>> to differ more likely to see kids helmets less in poorer areas which also
>>>> are generally have more dangerous roads and so on.
>>>> 
>>>> Just because Frank has one viewpoint doesn’t mean you have to take the
>>>> opposite you know!
>>>> 
>>> "There's ample data available calling your statement into
>>> question."
>> 
>> No there are selective studies, which much like modelling ideas can’t and
>> don’t cover everything.
>> 
>> Hence population studies all come to the same conclusions ie no effect can
>> be found.
>> 
>> Doesn’t mean might not be useful individually but for a population..
> 
> Of course there may be individuals who for whatever reason may benefit 
> from a styrofoam helmet.
> 
> Some years ago I stopped in a fast food restaurant while traveling. A 
> man entered with his teenaged son, who was severely handicapped. He was 
> able to walk, but only with assistance, and he seemed unable to express 
> himself verbally. He was wearing a bike helmet just for walking. For 
> him, that may have been reasonable.
> 
> 
Often folks with Epilepsy that causes them to drop, and have a learning
disability so will be less able to self advocate, the helmets are quite
different in design essentially a padded helmet, than foam and so on, ie
designed to be used for multiple occasions than one event.

I’m cynical of their merits and reasoning behind this is my field of work.

Roger Merriman