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From: Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com>
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Subject: Re: RI October 2024
Date: 18 Nov 2024 11:53:56 GMT
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On 2024-11-18, Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
> In article <vhc1a4$ga5m$1@dont-email.me>,
>  Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/16/24 21:53, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> > In article <lpt8n4F7c0eU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> >   ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:
....
>> >> So anyway, that's a long winded setup.  The actual action of these
>> >> books is mainly centered on a dysfunctional Alabama family whose
>> >> sons are all in the military, and whose daughter has escaped an
>> >> unsuitable marriage by fleeing to Pearl Harbor.  There are also
>> >> story-lines centering on an American ex-pat who has been flying for
>> >> a Polish resistance squadron, and who is consequently in bad odor
>> >> at home as a mercenary (the US being at peace with both Germany &
>> >> Japan as the series starts), a battle cruiser first officer in the
>> >> US Asiatic fleet, various Japanese notables and minor characters
>> >> who come and go.
>> >>
>> > 
>> > "battle cruiser first officer in the US Asiatic fleet"?!
>> > 
>> > The US Navy did not have battle cruisers (the "Lexington" and "Saratoga"
>> > would had been, but that class was cancelled by the Washington Naval
>> > Treaty and those 2 ships were converted in Aircraft carriers). In fact,
>> > the biggest ship in the US Asiatic fleet in 1941 was the USS Houston
>> > (9195 tons displacement) which was classified as a heavy cruiser solely
>> > because of 8 inch gun main batteries (it was originally classified as a
>> > light cruise)
>> > 
>> 
>> 	Did you forget the Alternate History?
>
> The given Point of Departure was almost 2 decades after the Washington 
> Naval Treaty. Assuming that the Nazi Party will still take over Germany 
> is bad form if there was no Washington Naval Treaty is lazy plotting.

The Washington Naval Treaty is certainly relevant, in that it severely
limited the big ships Japan, US, and most of Europe could have and
build (the first modern big disarmament treaty), but it had very
little effect on the Nazi Party taking over Germany - it did not have
limitations on German power.

All the German limitations and enormous burden on Germany that
certainly contributed to the rise of the Nazis and WWII were laid out
earlier in the Treaty of Versailles.

(I haven't read the books so may be misinterpreting the Alternate World
here in my quibble.)

Chris