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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman <bowman@montana.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Date: 26 Nov 2024 18:57:23 GMT Lines: 39 Message-ID: <lqmk0jF5lsrU1@mid.individual.net> References: <vhigot$1uakf$1@dont-email.me> <vhsdhp$1m6qu$2@dont-email.me> <X4KcnQQzFNko49_6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vhvdmo$2900d$3@dont-email.me> <vhvdqu$28p7r$7@dont-email.me> <vhvm34$2aerk$2@dont-email.me> <1b166410-ecc1-f9e5-7218-cde9618f4686@example.net> <lqi4odFdu06U3@mid.individual.net> <77840736-c143-e896-5da0-d0afae4915ed@example.net> <vi1p3r$2oh05$7@dont-email.me> <2118139f-4451-560b-5094-a3d61c05f0d3@example.net> <lqkh38Fpp09U2@mid.individual.net> <vi47lr$3cj2g$1@dont-email.me> <vi4hok$3f6em$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net cLI9lVh0z0SWrrxoEUOhAQcxZB5rPfMr+/4VTCCVTPp8o0q7xi Cancel-Lock: sha1:cTXH2r1Mxneka05dNq2TD3dMXLk= sha256:grVPr+ybyvoqSkfKbAU0O39cZek0lQ+hSh0c3ZwNzj4= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Bytes: 3157 On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 13:17:08 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > Yep, exactly. If they can be given instructions that match their "lego > brick set" they can snap something together. Ask them to do anything > that requires creativity or research and understanding, and you get back > a turd that has had hours of polishing applied. The holy grail for management is a design methodology that gets adequate results from a workforce of varying aptitudes. Particularly for larger corporations you'll get a normal distribution, a few very good, a few completely useless, and a lot of mediocrity. That's what you have to work with. What I've seen over the years is a company will luck out, get a better than average distribution, and achieve success. Whatever they're doing is taken as an example of the right way and copied mechanically. Top down structured programming, agile, devops, and so forth have their day. TI lucked out in the '70s and used something they called 'matrix management' that became the new Wunderkind. The '80s brought 'In Search of Excellence'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_Excellence Good money was made from book sales and training sessions from independent snake oil salesmen preaching the gospel. The company I worked for had one of the sessions. Not too many of the 'excellent' corporations are around today. About 10 years ago the company I now work for had a 'pair programming' session. That was hilarious. The 'experts' were only familiar with Apple machines and other than the one they brought there wasn't an Apple in the building. Having been through required attendance things before my team carefully stayed to the back of the room where we could slink away and get back to business. I'm sure the next methodology will wrap itself around AI, spin off training companies, and mostly fail to deliver on the promises.