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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: OT: The Robots are coming. Date: 11 Dec 2024 13:43:13 GMT Organization: loft Lines: 108 Message-ID: <lrtj7hFedogU1@mid.individual.net> References: <vj7gvh$hts1$1@dont-email.me> <c0fe9880-f1f0-1b6c-678b-3d703cce37e8@example.net> <lrrpi1F5lj2U1@mid.individual.net> <830303b8-b8e3-a7ce-6870-838383a401f5@example.net> X-Trace: individual.net yFBO+svRkLPOiLKTJd1JJgKPU5gpAJQNpt9+hjuwSuRn+O705Z X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:wGfCiFK6LLZ/zq0qIqUXogSrDrE= sha256:W4x2OxvPF7uyPF494mmmVLzhKuP/8z2x9sEZEDBqA68= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Bytes: 4900 In article <830303b8-b8e3-a7ce-6870-838383a401f5@example.net>, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > > >On Tue, 10 Dec 2024, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > >> In article <c0fe9880-f1f0-1b6c-678b-3d703cce37e8@example.net>, >> D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >>> -=-=-=-=-=- >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2024, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/10/2024 3:38 AM, D wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 9 Dec 2024, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/9/2024 1:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/9/2024 1:38 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>>>>>> I know for many it's politically correct to crap on anything Elon Musk >>>>>>>> is involved in these days, but its worth keeping up with his companies >>>>>>>> accomplishments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's his robot, walking over uneven terrain, up and downhill, and >>>>>>>> recovering from slips: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MwiLIIWd-k >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I admit it walks like a drunk, but the progress is remarkable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's also videos showing it catching a tossed ball one-handed. >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DswIwg3lxpo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is competition: >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWXN2bttm4g >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ARKJva-TA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Combine this with AI, and some interesting things >>>>>>>> will happen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I get real 'With Folded Hands' chills from >>>>>>>> watching these. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> pt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I watched a new movie, "Subservience" with Meghan Fox on Netflix over the >>>>>>> weekend.?? Scared the you know what out of me.?? Was even scarier >>> than "The >>>>>>> Terminator". >>>>>>> ?????? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt24871974/?ref_=nm_flmg_job_1_cdt_t_2 >>>>>>> >>>>>> And one of the latest versions of AI has shown self-preservation >>>>>> responses.... >>>>> >>>>> Excellent! Do you have a link? I'm been complaining about the lack of >>>>> volition so far. When the AI will be able to block someone from shutting >>>>> off the computer, then I think we're getting somewhere! ;) >>>> >>>> https://futurism.com/the-byte/openai-o1-self-preservation >>>> >>>> "It sounds like OpenAI's latest AI is showing signs of a drive for >>>> self-preservation. >>>> >>>> In recent third-party tests of the company's o1 large language model, the AI >>>> resisted evaluators' efforts to try to shut it down through an oversight >>>> protocol, according to a new report published by red teaming organization >>>> Apollo Research. >>>> >>>> "When o1 was led to believe that it would be shut down when acting on its >>>> goal and that its actions were monitored, it attempted to deactivate this >>>> 'oversight mechanism' [five percent] of the time," OpenAI summarized in its >>>> latest system card report, citing Apollo's evaluation. >>>> >>>> Even more strikingly, o1 lashed out when it realized that it might be >>>> replaced with a more obedient model. In two percent of cases ??? a slim but >>>> meaningful proportion in software used by millions of people ??? the AI >>>> responded by attempting to copy itself to overwrite the new model, a process >>>> known as self-exfiltration." >>>> >>>> pt >>> >>> Great, thank you very much for the link! >>> -=-=-=-=-=- >> >> So if we actually have AI passing the Turing Test now, should it be a bigger >> deal that they're trying to kill one? > >I don't think any AI has passed a serious turing test. That would be >awesome! Could you please send me a link to that as well? I don't have one. I thought it was fairly clear that we are at that point, but perhaps I am wrong. The vingette at the top of this seems like an implicit pass, albeit to a kid: https://instapundit.substack.com/p/is-ai-coming-for-your-kids (I can't cut & paste it as it's an image, but the cautionary essay is pretty interesting too: "But. Underneath the cuteness there would be guardrails, and nudges, built in.") -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..