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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: Todays rant
Date: 14 Dec 2024 14:23:36 GMT
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 20:59:41 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/13/2024 8:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2024 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/2024 1:15 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   The vast majority of the mass shootings that target 
>>>>> random victims in schools, malls, and theaters aren't 
>>>>> committed by people with a violent past, so the argument 
>>>>> that 'they never committed violence before' is pretty 
>>>>> much irrelevant to the context of this conversation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, I realize there have been a number of instances  at 
>>>>> clubs, bars, and parties where it seems to be related to 
>>>>> gang activity. Those aren't' the types of incidents we're 
>>>>> discussing.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yes I agree.  The bulk of 'mass shooting' events are 
>>>> tangential to ongoing criminal activity; at a party, in a 
>>>> bar, drive-by in front of a crowd, etc.  Utterly different 
>>>> problem (with different possible resolutions) than a 
>>>> deranged but determined homicidal maniac.
>>>> 
>>>> I can't think of a deterrent/preventive strategy except 
>>>> for maybe public execution and I hesitate to assume even 
>>>> that would dissuade Son of Sam, Nikolas Cruz, Richard 
>>>> Ramirez, Stephen Paddock, Jeffrey Dahmer, or their ilk.
>>> 
>>> One suggestion might be to look at the social conditions in 
>>> nations similar to the U.S. but with far fewer killings, 
>>> especially gun killings, per capita. Emulate what they do.
>>> 
>>> "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This 
>>> Regularly Happens"
>>> 
>>> https://theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only- 
>>> nation-where-this-r-1848971668/
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> I do not have a snappy solution.
>> 
>> some context:
>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1386759/mass-shootings-us-other-developed-world/
>> 
>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
>> 
>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/
> 
> Even if all the "assault weapons" were rounded up and destroyed, it
> wouldn't stop the mass murders nor any other murders. There are too
> many other ways to do it. 
> 
> Where there's a will, there's a way. The problem is there are people
> with the will.

It’s much much harder without a gun and particularly a gun that can be
rapidly fired.

Mass murders by other means are not impossible but that much harder and can
be stopped by brave unarmed people as with the children killed in the uk
this summer, which was used by various right wing groups to inspire riots
by well lying!

But the suspect was slowed by one of the nursery workers I think she died
from her injuries but she was able to slow/prevent and a colleague got help
from the Gym? Anyway a large chap who subdued the attacker.

Don’t get me wrong I suspect that it would require more than just removing
easy access to guns etc, but even that almost certainly would have dramatic
effects.
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman
> 

Roger Merriman