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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Quality is not a feature
Date: 28 Dec 2024 10:46:13 GMT
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2024 11:59:48 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>> On 21 Dec 2024 21:19:21 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> While IO was still under the effects of the untreated epilpsy, I bought
>>>>> new battery drills. None of them lasted more than a year.
>>>>> 
>>>> Sounds unlikely if it was just diy? If one was building a house ie using
>>>> the drill all day and every day maybe just if it was consumer grade.
>>> 
>>> Bad news.  Today's battery powered consumer grade power tools are
>>> easily destroyed.  For example, this is a Milwaukee 9 inch angle
>>> grinder:
>>> <https://youtu.be/p7FP7fQGFfg?t=1770>
>>> <https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/2785-20>
>>> The problem is that it's powered by an 18V battery pack instead of the
>>> more appropriate 54V battery pack.  The 18V pack will draw 3 times the
>>> current of the 54V pack.  That causes excessive heating and a tendency
>>> to turn wires and switches into a smoking "fuses".  Bad design.  Even
>>> used normally, something will blow.  The problem is being handled by a
>>> liberal warranty policy.  
>>> 
>>> I could on forever on what's wrong with today's consumer grade power
>>> tools, but that's a bit too far off topic.  Suffice to say that
>>> today's power tools are very different from what I had become
>>> accustomed to using.
> 
>> That’s disappointing to hear, I rarely do any DIY the brain injury means my
>> ability to work out problems etc is limited even quite basic stuff required
>> my wife to break it down and do the thinking, so I could do job’s beyond
>> her ability mainly reach and strength.
> 
> My sympathies.  I don't know what I would do without getting involved
> in repair work.  I've tried to teach various relatives and girlfriends
> how to use tools and how to solder.  Learning to use tools is a skill
> that has to be learned very early.  My guess(tm) is after about 12
> years old learning to handle tools becomes difficult and after about
> 30 years old, impossible.
> 
My wife never liked power tools much, she could use them and made a bed
once with them and so on, but she never liked them!

> I don't know how deep you want to dive into crappy power tools, but
> you might find this video of interest:
> 
> "Teardown and Review of the all New DeWalt DCN930 Nail Gun."
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNSRuzz1uyc>  (1:05:56)
> Yes, it's 1 hr and 6 minutes long.  The author tears apart the latest
> nail gun by DeWalt and compares it with the previous version.  It's
> not a total redesign, but the differences between the old and new
> versions are a clear indication of the downhill trend in quality,
> reparability, maintainability, etc.  There were a few improvements,
> but most changes were to reduce production costs, not improve the
> product or make it easier to use or maintain.  Having the nail gun jam
> 3 times immediately after unpacking is an ominous clue that it's going
> to cause problems.  Switching from a plastic magazine to a magnesium
> magazine is an improved but also an indication that the original
> plastic magazine was likely problematic.  Yes, it's disappointing.

I believe that Mercedes went through a similar process ie reducing the
quality, though that was just cars that didn’t last multiple decades
anymore, than tools that don’t seem almost designed to fail or rather very
short life spans.
> 
> Have a good holiday.
> 
I have done, did get out on Boxing Day to see the cloud inversion ie
brilliant clear skies at about the 1000ft mark with the hills looking like
islands quite beautiful!

Even had folks swimming in the semi artificial header pond at the top!

Did make for a cold descent down to the local market town for coffee/cake!

Roger Merriman