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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman <bowman@montana.com> Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: The problem with not owning the software Date: 29 Dec 2024 00:53:43 GMT Lines: 35 Message-ID: <ltbksnFrgqvU4@mid.individual.net> References: <Tn39P.50437$%aWb.4583@fx18.iad> <vk5vjq$3v34m$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <nuy9P.28629$aTp4.27488@fx09.iad> <vkbuqd$18m92$2@toylet.eternal-september.org> <9OCcnRW7grqkbPT6nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@earthlink.com> <vkfva1$28j6k$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <vkhqif$2hvap$1@dont-email.me> <vkmd9n$3l76a$4@toylet.eternal-september.org> <vko7up$6qks$2@dont-email.me> <ltb26aFov8dU1@mid.individual.net> <fUYbP.143220$bYV2.129957@fx17.iad> <vpm0njh1ebgjs37ohhpq0tbvhq1mutjoac@4ax.com> <II_bP.117623$ZAue.69791@fx12.iad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net hIUo5CkF6EFqFfsJ6zooJA8afeHQyzyW8dWYRKLmtFN6V+DMRU Cancel-Lock: sha1:xoC3kJvXOUaLjI/nEkJlRxgIwyw= sha256:0yYFrd2K7TW8pl8dB67fhEZr6Pj2cKHgetIp+mhTgno= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Bytes: 3156 On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 17:11:52 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > I was telling my wife the exact same thing. We're not doing much more > than we were in 2008, yet a 2008 machine would be incapable of handling > today's software (unless it's running Linux). At some point, people need > to wake up and realize that the exponential increase in speed isn't > offering any real benefit to users who are doing anything other than > video editing or gaming. Yes and no. VS Code or Vim patiently waits for many more cycles while I figure out what I'm trying to do. Otoh I can do things with Python that wouldn't have been possible 25 years ago. The user doesn't have a clue if the back end is FastAPI or FastCGI using compiled C. I recall when Java was young, lithe, and slender. Then Swing came along and it turned into a hog. The answer was 'you need a faster machine.' As far as the user is concerned there is no difference but the speed increases enabled technologies that (supposedly) made development faster. There is a similar effect with microcontrollers. A 8048 was extremely limited and you usually wound up using assembler. The Atmel chip in the classic Arduinos is luxurious and you can work in C/C++. However there still are memory limits. The Arm based chips are faster and have more flash so for many applications you can use MicroPython or CircuitPython unless you need very fine control of the chip. If you want to do your Christmas lights with neopixels, Python is a lot easier than fiddling around with the C SDK. Is that progress? Beat's me. I was at a museum that had a display of the development of household labor saving devices. It noted that when housewives received all these new time savers they tended to find new things to spend the saved time on. Filling your house with Victorian kitsch didn't advance civilization.