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From: rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
Date: 3 Jan 2025 22:51:07 GMT
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 12:15:18 +0100, D wrote:

> I think this was common knowledge, but maybe this serves to prove it
> more fully? I always wonder how much DNA I have from eastern europe
> since my ancestors travelled east down to turkey. On the other hand, on
> my mothers side, my ancestors fled norway to iceland, and those guys
> were travelling more in southwestern europe. Could probably be some DNA
> from there as well.

I take much of it with a grain of salt but DNA has changed the game. I 
thumbed through Mallory's 'In Search of the Indo-Europeans' last night. 
It's from 1989 so he was examining linguistic and archaeological evidence 
with the classic Cordedware, Funnel Beaker, Battle-Axe divisions based on 
artifacts. In an amusing summary, after describing problems with the 
theories of the day he admits he doesn't really have anything better to 
offer.

Skeletal remains with usable DNA can help sort it out or modern 
distributions. For example Jordanes' claim that the Goths originated in 
Scandinavia was written off with many of his other inaccuracies. However 
if you draw a heat map of the I-M253 Y haplogroup the epicenter is Västra 
Götaland County, with over 50% of the males carrying it and spreads from 
there. I1 hit some sort of bottleneck but then took off during the Nordic 
Bronze Age. That puts a twist on the older theories Mallory looked at. The 
DNA evidence is running against Renfrew's Anatolian hypothesis while 
supporting Gimbutas Pontic hypothesis as far as Indo-Europeans go but 
that's mainly R1b and some R1a and not I.

Gimbutas also had the theory that Neolithic Europe was a peaceful 
matriarchal paradise worshiping goddesses before those damn Indo-European 
males showed up.

Then you have the Migration Period to really mix things up.