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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.karotte.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Suspension losses Date: 14 Jan 2025 12:22:39 GMT Lines: 54 Message-ID: <lun38fFt9ebU1@mid.individual.net> References: <vl6hn5$3edb4$1@dont-email.me> <jaehnj5vhmdv672avehfcrfaurqm6rl80c@4ax.com> <vlbt3g$ic6h$2@dont-email.me> <v5vinjtmb0d3javtd4cuc440c7qii9tp2b@4ax.com> <vlc9u5$kls5$2@dont-email.me> <b8jjnj14qbssjk34bvlpj3pgvmq6o1s2jq@4ax.com> <vlcoil$n7o7$1@dont-email.me> <dva1ojp9dah7npllc8qmukmndqih94sbtj@4ax.com> <vlqs89$3b77g$3@dont-email.me> <7ee2ojpq2b75m6gsd5svace02b19qassrk@4ax.com> <beh2ojhsarrl8p37i446fenvlm4sa4tac8@4ax.com> <vlsfta$a60l$1@dont-email.me> <led5oj98n5et2ocr2tgvdlp2683c3qe41l@4ax.com> <vlv3dq$r4s1$8@dont-email.me> <vm0dos$14sfp$2@dont-email.me> <vm14vh$18tis$4@dont-email.me> <vm35uo$14sfp$6@dont-email.me> <vm3j2m$1sl3f$2@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net KYbYw1pB4OI71XRNGXMhRgDm/oThz0jZfog2xm7UEJ9RLbNVeZ Cancel-Lock: sha1:YkMuPNQB9pgOQ0cJlsNqrUO8I+E= sha1:lqL0R8Xgks5mwg3AduivOM4+rmw= sha256:bM/60GDnB/ViR/0E5M4H/sjvLDe+8P3S4EYc4ahsEC4= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Bytes: 3886 Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > On 1/13/2025 8:54 AM, zen cycle wrote: >> On 1/12/2025 2:25 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>> On 1/12/2025 7:49 AM, zen cycle wrote: >>>> On 1/11/2025 7:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>> >>>>> But individual power outputs from left and right legs? I can't >>>>> imagine much value from that measurement. >>>> >>>> You answered your own question. "You" can't imagine it's useful. >>>> There are a great many data geeks who find it quite useful. >>> >>> Maybe we can take a poll? How many here gather and use data on their >>> individual legs' power output? >> >> I hardly consider this forum to be representative of the cycling >> community at alrge. > > I certainly agree with that! This is a group with no members who were > not interested in the title "tech". So if these people are not > measuring individual leg power, I doubt it's very common. It’s also barely into double digits and its age range is slewed to the more mature, I suspect I’m the youngest here but I’m about mid pack for a club rider ie late 40’s/early 50’s I’d also note that due to the age range is a tendency for this effect. Noted by Douglas Adams “I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.” Ie we become less curious as we age in general. > > Our bike club is mostly social, not very competitive. I do have friends > who use "new" equipment (e.g. aero wheels, 13 cogs, road disc brakes) > and a few who mention their KOM triumphs. Many of them use Garmin or > similar devices. But IIRC none have ever discussed power meter readings. > Maybe some new, younger club members are doing that, but I don't ride > with those folks. > > Then there's the vast majority of bike riders who will never join a > club, never look at a bike magazine, never try to ride fast, who just > ride for fun. No power meters there. > They will not be selling power meters be that crank or pedal on the efforts of club riders or racers, just wouldn’t be commercially viable! Roger Merriman