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From: vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
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Subject: Synology Diskstation architecture (was: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy
 AmperComputing)
Date: 21 Jan 2025 02:48:36 GMT
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On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 19:42:59 -0500, "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
wrote in <RtudnVi93qkPcBP6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com>:

> On 1/20/25 3:53 PM, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 20/01/2025 09:30, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  The Pi hat or OMV ?
>>>>
>>>> The pi, with directly connected spinning disks. Does the hat have its
>>>> own extra power supply?
>>>
>>> I've managed to get a P4 I think to run one spinning rust disk without
>>> extra power.
>>> Strictly it depends on the disk.
>>> The pi hat for 5 drives has an external 60W PSU
>> 
>> Ahh, if it has an external PSU then there is no problem. Ideally, if
>> the pi hat for 5 drives is intended to accomodate 5 spinning drives, it
>> would be nice if it did so at full speeds.
> 
> 
>    One review said the WRITEs were a little pokey,
>    but not TOO bad. READs were apparently snappy.
> 
>    This is OK ... most stuff on HDDs is "write once /
>    read more often".
> 
> 
>> Given that the server manufacturers seem to no longer want to produce
>> smaller, cheaper nodes, but only want to sell huge GPU machines, I'm
>> contemplating if it actually might not be possible to build a nice
>> archive solution on pi:s, spinning disks and a few cards at a good
>> price.
>> 
>> To be continued... as the saying goes.
> 
>    Yep ... lemme get in and fool with my 5-drive unit a bit and I'll
>    write a hands-on report. The price is good enough (the DRIVES are $$$
>    alas)
> 
>    Even without the SATA hat ... you CAN run a number of external USB
>    3.x drives from a Pi. Won't be as quick, but it works OK.
> 
>    And yea, I know what you mean about everybody trending towards
>    "overkill" boxes/systems. Better $ margin I guess.
>    Still no shortage of motherboards - so you can build your own
>    "appropriate" boxes.
> 
>    For an NAS, it's the drive speeds that are kinda the limiting factor,
>    so even a 'slow' motherboard won't hurt anything. It's all I/O-bound.
> 
>    The popular Sinology canned NAS units - 4/6/8/12 drive units with
>    multiple network plugs - all use basically laptop-grade 'Celeron'
>    grade processors.

Beg to differ...this is on my Synology Diskstation:

root@DT:~# uname -a
Linux DT 3.10.108 #42962 SMP Mon Aug 19 15:14:28 CST 2024 armv7l
GNU/Linux synology_alpine_ds2015xs

root@DT:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor	: 0
model name	: ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)
Speed		: 1.7GHz
Features	: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 
idiva idivt 
CPU implementer	: 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant	: 0x2
CPU part	: 0xc0f
CPU revision	: 4

processor	: 1
model name	: ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)
Speed		: 1.7GHz
Features	: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 
idiva idivt 
CPU implementer	: 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant	: 0x2
CPU part	: 0xc0f
CPU revision	: 4

processor	: 2
model name	: ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)
Speed		: 1.7GHz
Features	: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 
idiva idivt 
CPU implementer	: 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant	: 0x2
CPU part	: 0xc0f
CPU revision	: 4

processor	: 3
model name	: ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)
Speed		: 1.7GHz
Features	: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 
idiva idivt 
CPU implementer	: 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant	: 0x2
CPU part	: 0xc0f
CPU revision	: 4

Hardware	: AnnapurnaLabs Alpine (Device Tree)
Revision	: 0000
Serial		: 0000000000000000

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