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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: Wrong Again.
Date: 21 Jan 2025 15:26:43 GMT
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>> On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi  wrote:
>>>>> On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>>>> I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and
>>>>>> contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful,
>>>>>> I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the
>>>>>> normal gears I had been using for climbing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because
>>>>>> they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap
>>>>>> out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and
>>>>>> will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy
>>>>>> wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin
>>>>>> wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can
>>>>>> fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have
>>>>>> sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and
>>>>>> cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber
>>>>>> ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike
>>>>>> the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for
>>>>>> them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a
>>>>>> pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the
>>>>>> full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import
>>>>>> taxes come into effect.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady
>>>>>> have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking
>>>>>> how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any
>>>>>> better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking
>>>>>> occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift
>>>>>> like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore
>>>>>> feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as
>>>>>> well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't
>>>>>> seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so
>>>>>> slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
>>>>> since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
>>>>> long arm derailleurs for them "
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
>>>>> Racing T 10sp RD.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
>>>>> 
>>>>> By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
>>>>> not make spare parts as they should ",  where do you buy
>>>>> your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers?  If I
>>>>> recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash
>>>> for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced
>>>> the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were
>>>> forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your
>>>> race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me
>>>> to have a 30 tooth.
>>>> 
>>>> Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a
>>>> Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
>>> 
>>> The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
>>> because they do not produce an 'offroad' series.  The long
>>> cage model is what you want.
>>> 
>>> https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset
>> which is one the few highs apparently.
>> 
>> Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
>> 
>> Roger Merriman
>> 
> 
> Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers 
> and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There 
> were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
> 
Sorry yes, I ment way back in time and Ekar which I think is 13 speed?

Rather than 10 speed stuff which 3 out of the 4 bikes I own are.

Roger Merriman