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On 11/14/24 9:16 AM, Rich wrote:
> 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>> On 11/13/24 3:57 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2024 08:50, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>> Most 60s cars used
>>>>     DRUM brakes, you got maybe two or three good
>>>>     apps before they'd fade.
>>>
>>> The thing about drum brakes is that they have slight but significant
>>> innate brake assistance - the leading shoe tends to wedge itself on.
>>
>>    Yep - likely By Design.
>>
>>    BUT, the instant things get red hot - NO more brakes.
>>    Modern discs/pads ARE superior.
> 
> Disks are superior, but don't think you can't make them fade with
> over-application.  They too will fade if the rotors get hot enough.
> The reason why they don't fade as easily is the design provides more
> cooling, so it takes more braking application to achieve the same
> 'fade' level.

   VERY aware of that.

   They DO cool quicker however. BIG advantage.

>>> I don't want to go back to unassisted brakes and no power steering
>>> either.
>>
>>    "Unassisted" CAN be OK ... but it takes a little
>>    practice.
>>
>>    Had an early-60s car that DID have power steering,
>>    but I was too broke to replace the pump. THAT built
>>    up the arm muscles ! 384 replaced with a 426 ...
>>    massive power, needed a booster fuel pump !
> 
> A proper 'manual steer' car is easier to drive than a power steering
> car with the power steering disabled.  The gearing in the steering unit
> is set differently for power assist units vs. true manual steer units,
> and power assist, without the power assist, is much harder to steer.

   Oh, VERY aware of THAT ... the fucker was insanely
   difficult - took major effort.

   BUT, I could barely afford gas money back then ...

> It is the same with power assist brakes.  The hydralic multiplication
> factor is different between power assist master cylinders and true
> manual cylinders.  The power assist brakes, without the power assist,
> will require much more force on the pedal than a 'manual brake' system
> requires to produce the same stopping power.

   I'd rather have un-powered steering than faulty
   power brakes. The systems were NOT set up to cope
   with unpowered brakes fer-sure. You'd have to
   weigh 400 pounds to get a good stop.