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From: vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
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Subject: Gaming Laptops (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10
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Date: 1 Feb 2025 12:58:02 GMT
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 12:28:47 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <fdjiojt0fj9ft4plm2eu47itkdsi21mdcl@4ax.com>:

> Paul wrote:
> 
>> -hh wrote:
>>> 
>>> Of course.  Overall, a challenge with the DIY topic is differences in
>>> motivation:
>>> is the DIY because money's tight?  Or is the motivation because
>>> tinkering with hardware is an entertaining hobby/pastime?
>>> Both motivations can & do exist, and can get conflated in discussions.
>>
>>The motivation, is we don't want to buy shit.
>>
>>Do I want a Dell with a four phase VCore, when I can have a twenty four
>>phase VCore on an expensive motherboard ?
>>
>>Do I want a 230W power supply on a Dell, when I can pick up an 850W
>>power supply at Best Buy ?
>>Now, I can plug in an RTX4090 when I want to.
>>On the Dell, that's... impossible (even if you went out and bought the
>>850W supply, it probably would not fit in the small Dell case, neither
>>would the Dell cooling system be adequate for the thermal load and there
>>wouldn't even be a mounting location for a fan to be added).
> 
> Yeah the non-standard components in Dells and HPs are a real turn-off,
> for those of us who are brave enough to open our PC cases.
> 
>>When you do a build, you control everything, and no screwing around or
>>taking shortcuts.
> 
> I think us DIY guys tend to overspend and overbuild our systems.  So we
> don't save any money, but they are better-built.
> 
>>Well, what the salesman didn't tell the gaming lady,
>>is that the owner will beat the piss out of the laptop and it will be
>>knackered after only four years. While you are having a gaming
>>experience, it won't last.
> 
> Gaming laptops are the worst.  Hot running, loud, expensive, fragile.

There are exceptions to every rule.  In that regard: ASUS tufbooks
are tough.

After updating it to Linux Mint 22.1, and while looking at the output
of lspci(8), discovered this:

0000:00:08.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor 
Gaussian & Neural Accelerator (rev 02)

There's an out-of-tree driver Linux driver for it, and apparently Intel
is working to get it into the Linux kernel.

Having said that, can't imagine why I'd use it.  (I guess perhaps Windows
Copilot might use it, but I'll defer to others regarding whether or not
that is the case.)

-- 
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   OS: Linux 6.13.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
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