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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: Press Release
Date: 2 Feb 2025 17:45:58 GMT
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 2/2/2025 6:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition
>>>>> 
>>>>> If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but I’m possibly out of
>>>> touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes
>>>> both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting?  I’m less convinced
>>>> by and certainly don’t see examples on London’s streets.
>>>> 
>>>> To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in
>>>> to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed
>>>> some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can
>>>> cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can't comment for England but here I can buy a brand new motor bike
>>> for as low as 10,000 Thai Baht and a more expensive Supercub for
>>> 60,000 T.B.
>>> That is U.S. Dollars $299 and $1498.
>>> 
>>> Worst case is about 1 Supercub and 2,500 gallons of gasoline :-)
>> 
>> While bikes certainly are expensive, for various reasons mainly bikes are
>> much more separated with both models add in different equipment specs and
>> sizes.
>> 
>> Even road bikes, have Race bikes, Aero, endurance, Gravel which is split
>> often into race and explore, and so on.
>> 
>> This said a moped from a known brand is around 3k which is about the same
>> as decent full suspension MTB, quite a bit more than a hybrid to get around
>> town be that electric which would be around 1k or half that for analogue.
>> 
>> Getting an off road motorcycle with the ability to cope with, similar
>> terrain as for example my Trance your into the 6K mark.
>> 
>> Flipping back to the utility side, cargo bikes can carry safely carry
>> kids/stuff start around the 2k mark and climb rapidly to around 10k but
>> they are more car replacements, generally doing the school run, which with
>> the best will in the world isn’t done by moped or motorcycles.
>> 
>> So yes bikes can be expensive but the answer isn’t particularly simple.
>> 
>> Roger Merriman
> 
> 
> "answer isn’t particularly simple"
> 
> 
> Right you are! With perhaps some apples and oranges comparisons.
> 
> Crappy small 2 cycle two wheelers from china are so cheap in 
> India (with local final assembly) that they are crushing the 
> bicycle selling business. There are not Ducatis!
> 
> And for 'bicycle', some may look to the sort of thing we 
> might ride. The average bicycle in USA is $409 and of course 
> half are below average!
> 

Absolutely my “cheap” old school bike still cost 700 ish? Can’t remember
certainly quite a bit less than 1k even with changing the stock
Saddle/tyres adding a pannier rack and a mount for the lights I use, I also
had a spare pannier and GPS mounts which I could just use but clearly would
cost if one didn’t have them.

I’d note that is as I’m sure your aware a point at which bikes have parts
made of cheese, even though the old school bike has comparatively gentle
life, it will clock up the miles.

Doesn’t need to be expensive far from it but stuff like Sora is durable,
and will soak up the miles in my experience.

Roger Merriman