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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: fat is faster
Date: 11 Feb 2025 11:38:45 GMT
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Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 17:42:51 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> 
>> CST = Cheng Shin Tire
>> 
>> https://www.csttires.com/int/about-cst/contact-page/
> 
> <https://www.summitbicycles.com/product/cst-critter-tire-247107-1.htm>
> 
> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cst-Critter-Tire-29X2-10-Black-Steel-Bead/134022585>
> 
> 	Cheap. Well, here we pay a 60% tariff on all imported goods,
> 20% state tax on that, 50% for the reseller and salaries are much
> lower than the US, so it's relative. A month's minimum salary will buy
> you 6-8 tires.
> 
> 	During the military dictatorship there was a 200% tariff on
> just about any import, except Scotch whiskey - the economy minister
> was an alcoholic(Simonsen)

Ouch I was going by just a quick price search which shows a relatively low
price of sub £30 which quite a bit less than MTB tyres normally go for
which is £60/80ish
> 
> 	The Pirelli tires cost about double, and are made by "Zhongce
> Rubber Group Co. LTD. ,  China". No idea who they are. Pirelli used to
> have several factories in Brazil, but the last real ones closed after
> the 2015 coup...
> 
> <https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/economia/macroeconomia/apos-2-anos-pirelli-conclui-fechamento-de-fabrica-de-pneus-em-gravatai-rs/>
> 
> 	The Sao Paulo/Campinas "factories" just package imported
> tires...
> 
> 	I don't need "excellent" tires. If one blows out the sidewall,
> I can push the bike home...
> 	[]'s
> 	
> 
I can well believe it, depends on ones type of MTBing and the terrain, I
occasionally take the woods home on the old MTB the BigApples cope, minimal
tread urban design, but on the MTB that is a trail bike and uk being rather
wet and tend to more natural trails or at least not dedicated MTB centres.

So having a tyre that has the grip to hold on in wet steep conditions, side
walls are supported so they don’t fold under high loads, I’m 14stone
something 91KG ish so I push into a berm or so on and sidewalls will
wander, and equally lighter weight sidewalls don’t do well with rock
strikes and so on.

I do ride into the highlands even in uk, and even England has remote places
that can be a significant distance and terrain to walk, back to car or even
phone reception and so on, so a tyre that from my perspective I’d view as
fragile doesn’t appeal!
> 
> 
I’ve noticed moving from MTB’s though time that significant
changes/improvements have pushed tyres harder, in that the bike is capable
of so much more and being held back by the tyres I used to use. As geometry
suspension and so on, have made significant improvements from certainly
90’s MTB’s and even turn of the century and so on.

Roger Merriman