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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Smith <null@void.com> Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Subject: Re: make - forge? - wedge for feathers-and-wedge rock-split Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2024 22:15:38 +0100 Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Message-ID: <m1sezwvpqd.fsf@void.com> References: <m1v856w8d2.fsf@void.com> <uu6ufb$e31t$1@dont-email.me> <4v1e0jlo0sck52sdc2b2m44mj8m6t6pbgf@4ax.com> <m1jzliun94.fsf@void.com> <uuekcs$2ij70$1@dont-email.me> <vn8m0jh34knbuivqro1dnkl7dcf6mdc7b2@4ax.com> <m1msqbd48n.fsf@void.com> <uuoha4$1a6b6$1@dont-email.me> <m1zfu5a5br.fsf@void.com> <uuu3q2$2pgrv$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com; logging-data="97150"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blueworldhosting.com" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZZZXc/GCijFxHIccemwNLYcJApg= sha1:7IuS9QIYW0xWuYlkTwm883NjKQU= sha256:6Pj+dd5xnhKEJwrTLR2SO7TuDKX2VemeKMYtxMQCHUI= sha1:9Xq70yKwcvhQejVoiJMc5NadTQc= sha256:r2Uhr5qBReM50f+blz6kcnFb3M8tmW+DcPAU78dvEV4= Bytes: 3485 Lines: 58 Peter Fairbrother <peter@tsto.co.uk> writes: > Capping or Hilti capping uses Hilti nail gun gun cartridges, which you > ... > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225952485669 at £15 for 100, they are about > £60 per thousand if you buy lots of them. > > You want the red or better the black ones, but the black ones can be > more expensive and harder to get. > > Some somewhat dangerous examples of use (cavers are nuts anyway): > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuPozHyKEKg > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjgWA8v52Go > ... Thanks. I visualise they are frequently hopping around in various types of pain. A young fellow who has come along as another volunteer at "our" mine has what I take to be identically the same drill as second caver type is using. I've got the masonry-drill in mine, while he has the pick chisel in his - on non-rotative obviously. So we alternate machines. Drilling and "feather'ing" until cracks, then swapping over to use the pick to open-up the rock releasing the "feathers" and completing the split / separation. While the other drills. Because dust accumulates in the air in the mine, do the drilling under water flood. Always ejecting slurry. Do have to find a way to wash away the slurry, as the "10mm" feathers are a tight fit in the 12mm hole. Plus want slippery metal-to-metal contact, lubed with oil-graphite spray - don't want abrasive paste of the slurry in the wedge-to-feathers contact, increasing wear and making friction. Not found answer to that yet. Might make say 11mm dia bit of polymer rod, with small central hole you inject water down some way. Hopefully efficiently sluice-out the slurry from bottom to exit of hole. "Capping" looks interesting, but if it's anything like in those videos, is not going to be happening at "our" mine. As I'd like to go for a shot-firer's ticket, might be best to come over as measured in what I do. So likely stay with wedges. Thanks. At least I have been amused. Second guy could have been able to sing very high notes if rocks had gone in another direction - as other comment. Regards, Rich