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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: CISC did not die in 1990 (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Date: 26 Feb 2025 14:01:37 GMT Lines: 43 Message-ID: <m28l61F2ctmU2@mid.individual.net> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <1976765442.762208809.808387.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <20250225130315.00004e34@gmail.com> <lhqvP.1323465$if26.592741@fx13.iad> <vplmop$2lj8$1@gal.iecc.com> <vplu8o$292c7$5@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 57g50j1aJI4GkTp3Lvqe3wLgL+HvQMN3JdMH0LScLAiGGE404d Cancel-Lock: sha1:QE7GPLLmYUFZ7+Bt3Ii71Rktklk= sha256:TkPqwivBKwz18ejOtqXAyon/Mbq9WldYrQTQr25JO7Q= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Hmm4; 0a913ba3; Linux-6.14.0-rc4) Bytes: 3114 On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 02:28:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vplu8o$292c7$5@dont-email.me>: > On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 00:20:41 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote: > >> The VAX was developed over a decade later, when they put thousands of >> transistors on each logic chip and thousands of bits in each memory >> chip. It suffered from a severe case of second system syndrome, where >> they started from the elegant PDP-11 and added every feature a >> programmer could ever possibly want, with less than fabulous >> performance to match. There's a reason that the VAX inspired RISC >> systems. > > I think RISC development started about concurrently with the origins of > VAX. And VAX remained a popular system until about the late 1980s, when > RISC finally came to everyone’s notice. Having VAX as an example of how > not to do things no doubt helped popularize the concept. ;) > > The “big bang” for RISC was about 1988-1990, when a bunch of Unix > workstation vendors brought out machines based on MIPS, SPARC, PA-RISC, > and of course POWER. And there was Acorn with ARM (not sure if that was > used for any Unix workstations at the time). At that point, the writing > was on the wall for CISC. 1990 was two years before 1992, when Linux was a new thing. I still have "worklog" files from the Fall semester of 1992 when I built a student-access Unix shell host, running on an HP Vectra RS/20 -- a 386 machine, and very much CISC. It started with 2 Megs (yes, Megs) of RAM, and was later expanded to 16 Megs. Used the MCC Interim Linux distribution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCC_Interim_Linux The original networking was SLIP to a KA9Q NOS box on our network, then we purchased a Western Digital 8003 Ethernet card, which was the only NIC (at the time) for which Linux had a driver. -- -Scott $ ll project.wpd -rwxr-xr-x 1 scott scott 5087 Mar 29 1992 project.wpd (Just read that document -- boy, was I naive then. ;)