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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN Date: 26 Feb 2025 18:20:40 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: <m294boF577vU1@mid.individual.net> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <vd5195$edas$1@dont-email.me> <59CJO.19674$MoU3.15170@fx36.iad> <vd6vto$r0so$1@dont-email.me> <iJEJO.198176$kxD8.81657@fx11.iad> <3hOdnWpQ649QMGr7nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vd8doi$15q07$1@dont-email.me> <vd8eg7$15v1j$2@dont-email.me> <cxicnVzg_cn_eGX7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vdapbn$1kp35$5@dont-email.me> <lltpunF4fseU2@mid.individual.net> <1smdnSjX3YoxgWf7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com> <llv30aFa6uvU3@mid.individual.net> <vde4b8$268qv$22@dont-email.me> <1396870532.749421730.052473.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <wrapper-20241001111737@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <vpl5uk$hhk$3@reader1.panix.com> <vpl91g$25q46$1@dont-email.me> <1976765442.762208809.808387.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <20250225130315.00004e34@gmail.com> <OmSdnbDqf-tgPyP6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> <20250226100438.00006728@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net FODR0f8wrs6FFqu2P7OX6AbVNCc2JNjNla3ZxJqdkUdw++MMwm Cancel-Lock: sha1:lEwEIOWIJPSY08xepjfuOOmj5Rw= sha256:0n9L2071AX8sia4zxsC9tS8SrtJBficnfoDN+wHifA8= User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) Bytes: 2773 On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 10:04:38 -0800, John Ames wrote: > On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 00:13:35 -0500 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> > * (Having started on micros of the early '90s, the idea of a >> > computing environment where assembly isn't just a systems- >> > implementation thing but a first-class applications language is quite >> > intriguing to me...) >> >> Used to be a kinda main/common thing. >> >> Compilers were new and expensive. Apps were still kinda small. So, >> ASM was often The Way - and provided The Most fine control. > > Indeed - and the architectures were designed to facilitate it. 'Course, > as has been discussed, that eventually led to creeping featurism and > terminal over-engineering and finally birthed RISC design, but it's > interesting to think back on the period where there really was a happy > medium... One interesting tale about over-engineering (the VAX POLY instructions), from someone who really knows: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/docs/vax_poly.pdf -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org