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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman <bowman@montana.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN Date: 8 Mar 2025 08:04:01 GMT Lines: 41 Message-ID: <m32bvhFttl7U1@mid.individual.net> References: <pan$96411$d204da43$cc34bb91$1fe98651@linux.rocks> <mddfrk08b0z.fsf@panix5.panix.com> <20250227080310.0000604d@gmail.com> <vqdtf3$3cfel$1@dont-email.me> <vqer0u$4v4$2@reader1.panix.com> <m30ve0FnaglU2@mid.individual.net> <arOcneLO8IpNTlb6nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net pDMJCDpqOitpWaf84OQV/gjsCjTf1I0iD0dfNIxgPYV3BV6rHq Cancel-Lock: sha1:c1PWJEyRfLFQkvfQUT+ydesiM+Q= sha256:L6ZLlzGFPVl65CsIcO3iWtXEdIBUQRYMaX4vBDIbMoE= User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Bytes: 2551 On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 00:21:15 -0500, c186282 wrote: > On 3/7/25 2:23 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:06:38 -0000 (UTC), Dan Cross wrote: >> >>> DEC in the 80s and 90s had a very forward-looking vision of >>> distributed computing; sadly they botched it on the business side. >> >> Their entry into the PC business certainly was ill-conceived. > > > Well ... the times ... EVERYBODY had to have a PC ..... > > Unfortunately the market was already saturated. That was part of DEC's problem. The Rainbows weren't completely compatible with MSDOS software. Then they tried to lock everyone into buying their diskettes with a proprietary format. Add to that the single- sided siamesed drives and other quirks they were too far from what the market expected by then. > BTW, that page on PLCs was very interesting. Alive and kicking. A few years ago I interviewed a fairly young guy and I was surprised when he had PLC programming on his resume. I'd been away from industrial applications for over 20 years and thought they would have faded away in the '90s. Relay logic was sort of fun. You were building state machines with relays, Eagle Signal electro-mechanical timers, limit switches, and so forth. I never did it but even more fascinating were some of the complex machines that were all cams, levers, gears, and springs except for the drive motor. https://www.hpmuseum.org/srw.htm With all its sophistication it wasn't protected against an attempt to divide by zero. It would churn away until you pulled the plug and put it out of its misery.