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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Why VAX Was the Ultimate CISC and Not RISC Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 00:43:24 +0000 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <m3c3lcFcu2rU2@mid.individual.net> References: <vpufbv$4qc5$1@dont-email.me> <5pkg9l-kipt.ln1@msc27.me.uk> <2025Mar3.174417@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vq4qav$1dksd$1@dont-email.me> <vq5dm2$1h3mg$5@dont-email.me> <2025Mar4.110420@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vq829a$232tl$6@dont-email.me> <2025Mar5.083636@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vqdljd$29f8f$2@paganini.bofh.team> <vqdrh9$3cdrc$1@dont-email.me> <vqek6h$3fro6$1@dont-email.me> <fe70b48cd6fef0aaf89278163d8b6322@www.novabbs.org> <vqfmr4$3npgk$1@dont-email.me> <vqg04o$3p80h$1@dont-email.me> <vqgbao$3rbkh$1@dont-email.me> <9371fe9be75cdd606c876f539e1d2d78@www.novabbs.org> <vqnps4$1j63b$1@dont-email.me> <0da86de26bac1912b190793512255aa4@www.novabbs.org> <vqo8b1$1ln7o$1@dont-email.me> <5e696219dedf30d0095dfd7671a4c87f@www.novabbs.org> <vqpuja$22eta$1@dont-email.me> <m3bfusF9ocaU1@mid.individual.net> <2730e60380057925095119c1b00366f8@www.novabbs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net RUsPdh4IIwabKA9dOzB+gQ/tPoLUMIQ8wmwE5y9Z6Plg3XMWtQ Cancel-Lock: sha1:5WdmgroK6Uzy6qMeLSF6vn5Qqzg= sha256:Azb8DI1u4WJPBNJoxvt7tUEZoNh0lWLDQecO3nu9cq0= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <2730e60380057925095119c1b00366f8@www.novabbs.org> Bytes: 2596 On 12/03/2025 00:37, MitchAlsup1 wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 19:07:08 +0000, moi wrote: > >> On 11/03/2025 18:15, Stephen Fuld wrote: >> >>> >>> I wonder if the different preferences is at least partially due to >>> whether the person has a hardware or a software background? The idea is >>> that when hardware guys see the instruction, they think in terms of >>> register ports (read versus write), what is required of the memory >>> system (somewhat different for loads versus stores), etc. However >>> software guys think of a language construct, e.g. X = Y, which is >>> logically a move. I don't know if this is right, but I think it is >>> interesting. >> >> No, it is logically a copy. > > But does it copy X into Y or copy Y into X ?? Quite so. My preference is for: LD dest source - reads as load dest from source ST source dest - reads as store source in dest -- Bill F.