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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: bike path news
Date: 14 Mar 2025 21:41:14 GMT
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Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> writes:
> 
>> On 12 Mar 2025 17:00:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On 12 Mar 2025 06:31:29 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 15:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue Mar 11 10:58:45 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 10:23:20 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People form their own opinions and arrange their own 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior based on their own situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes - or based on their own phobias. I know people who are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> horribly afraid of spiders, garter snakes, honeybees, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> graveyards and more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smart? No. Logical? No. But at least they're not carrying 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lethal weaponry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My daughter for example used to take the train to work in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclement or bitter cold Chicago winters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No longer. ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're the anecdote master, Andrew. But IIRC you've not yet 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found a horrifying anecdote about quiet bike paths in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suburban Florida, near our timid tricycle rider.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike path.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Just because it can happen doesnt mean it will happen, going
>>>>>>>>>>> out on limb
>>>>>>>>>>> but I suspect that CatTrike Ryder will be perfectly safe
>>>>>>>>>>> with or without
>>>>>>>>>>> carrying any guns on his rides.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect he knows this as well, but simply likes having the
>>>>>>>>>>> gun on him?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I spent more then a year in Vietnam where people did, on occasion,
>>>>>>>>>> shoot at you and I can assure you that a firearm did give you a
>>>>>>>>>> certain sense of security :-)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Even when they weren't shooting :-)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I?m assuming this was the Vietnam war or similar which is a
>>>>>>>>> kinda difficult
>>>>>>>>> risk case to put it mildly!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And yes there are places where having a gun on you seems a
>>>>>>>>> wise decision,
>>>>>>>>> riding your bike even in America doesn?t seems likely hence
>>>>>>>>> the absence of
>>>>>>>>> bike specific kit to do so.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Do you suppose that Vietnam or Laos is safe today?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I?d assume so yes, I?d confidently predict it has lower violent crime rate
>>>>>>> than US, certainly folks who have gone there or lived there
>>>>>>> haven?t claimed
>>>>>>> they needed a gun or someone with gun for protection!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can't speak for Vietnam or Laos, which are both Communist,  but in
>>>>>> Thailand, my nephew - manages a family business in the village -
>>>>>> estimates that every business will have at least one gun (legal or
>>>>>> not) on the premises and all gold shops, for sure, will have one at
>>>>>> the sales counter, and they will shoot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That is moving goal posts, ie folks are using guns as deterrent against
>>>>> robbery at high value stores.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And yes guns can be a deterrent, here as the armed police are so lethal,
>>>>> and using a gun will make you a target both literally and for
>>>>> investigation, so only very dumb folks use guns as the risks are so high,
>>>>> and tend to pay the price for doing so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That?s rather different to having a gun, for bike ride or popping to the
>>>>> shops and so on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>> 
>>>> The Europeans, especially the Brits, are much more willing to let
>>>> their government run their lives for them than we USAians. The attempt
>>>> here to move us in that direction that was soundly rejected in the
>>>> last election. 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Guns as protection or other weapons where used particularly in the era of
>>> the highwaymen but was more seen as tool than a culture, ie when the risk
>>> diminished then it fell out of use and over time became regulated.
>>> 
>>> Roger Merriman
>> 
>> From what I understand, in the UK, guns were regulated out of
>> existance by the government.
> 
> According to George Orwell, if I recall correctly, and can't be arsed to
> try to look it up, firearms in the UK went from easily available to
> tightly regulated about the time that the upper classes began to fear a
> homegrown Bolshevik revolution.
> 

Ish, was number of factors in 1920 being yes fears of working class
revolution, to the supply of weapons from the Great war, to the conflict
with Ireland.

Wasn’t terribly regulated even then, and weapons have been legislated in uk
for getting on for 1000 years now, even firearms or at least pistols
regulations seem to predate American as colonies let alone a country.

Hence it’s become more regulated over time, most of early 20th century
laws, where not much of hindrance to access or ownership really.

Roger Merriman