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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Job Offer
Date: 20 Mar 2025 00:13:54 GMT
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:53:09 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/19/2025 4:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:17:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 3/19/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> se. As long as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steal too much and actually care for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "subjects".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        []'s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But with every system, there are degrees of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plunder, death
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosopher.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The dialectic is eternal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> societies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a sword,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knout, secret police or what have you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You can steal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more with a pen than a gun."  The modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that usually start with, "For the children...".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No matter what kind of government, there will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least one person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to take control of everybody else...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and believes it's only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right and proper that he does so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind governments... in any group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frankie???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a self esteem thing. When people take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions from someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with low esteem it makes them feel important. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter if the directions are forced on them as in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voluntary as in social groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think leaders are generally people with low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> esteem who need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followers to make them feel important.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more likely, "I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to feel important, so follow me."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> circumstances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not many senior people in the military are weak
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kneaded, quite simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because their responsibilities are already mapped
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out before hey get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance" and "if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> job" while probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not spoken is understood by both parties.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Leaders" in every category are forever striving to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have more power
>>>>>>>>>>>> and get more control. I know that they believe they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are "serving," but
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> feel important.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>     Some leaders are different. Just like people are
>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>>> One of the first things you learn in medicine.
>>>>>>>>>>>     Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da
>>>>>>>>>>> Silva. They are as
>>>>>>>>>>> poor today as they were when they took office......
>>>>>>>>>>>     Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the
>>>>>>>>>>> rest of his
>>>>>>>>>>> life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to
>>>>>>>>>>> spend his last
>>>>>>>>>>> days with his family, and only came back to fight the
>>>>>>>>>>> fascists here in
>>>>>>>>>>> Brazil.
>>>>>>>>>>>     Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a
>>>>>>>>>>> politician not a
>>>>>>>>>>> character in a  rather badly written fairy tale) was
>>>>>>>>>>> never a
>>>>>>>>>>> power/money/control grabber. And he is still a
>>>>>>>>>>> "Leader" today. LOL.
>>>>>>>>>>>     []'s
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind
>>>>>>>>>> of guy. Too bad
>>>>>>>>>> that so many people call him by the wrong name.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Allah?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm
>>>>>>>> pretty sure
>>>>>>>> they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a
>>>>>>>> respect person, I
>>>>>>>> always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
>>>>>>> Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
>>>>>> 
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