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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: 26 Mar 2025 20:40:23 GMT
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cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed Mar 26 18:51:39 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:
>> cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue Mar 25 23:15:20 2025 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2025 12:36 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>>> On Tue Mar 25 10:36:01 2025 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> First, I don't know that's true. Based on your claims here, I think my
>>>>>> typical riding speed is faster than yours. I'm sure I couldn't keep up
>>>>>> with Zen or Mark, but I suspect most of us old guys here would ride at
>>>>>> similar speeds. I know that on the club rides I attend (I'm typically
>>>>>> the oldest of the attendees) I usually finish in the front half of the
>>>>>> group, and often first. Not that they're races. I just enjoy speeding up
>>>>>> at times.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not that it matters. I dispute the implication that faster riders
>>>>>> naturally crash more. It takes miles of riding to get fast, and people
>>>>>> with miles of experience tend to be more skillful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You may be an exception.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Frank, obviously you do not ride with a Garmin and believe that my
>>>>> claim of riding an average soeed of 11 mph is slow. 
>>>> 
>>>> You're right. I don't use a Garmin. I still use ordinary cyclometers - a 
>>>> couple Avocets that I've managed to keep running, and a couple Cateyes, 
>>>> etc. They give me average speed. 11 mph _is_ slow. I don't think I've 
>>>> ever averaged that slow unless on a recreation ride with my wife, 
>>>> grandkids or a good friend who is quite slow.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Those meters only sverage moving speed. You are supposed to be an
>>> engineer and you don't understand the effects of stop lights and a 30-45
>>> minute pause at a coffee shop on a meter that measures average speed from
>>> total time from turning the meter on? All I can say is that you're some kind of engineer.
>>> 
>> 
>> As do Garmin connect and Strava ie doesn?t count the stationary time, aka
>> waiting at traffic lights or time at the cafe or so on.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have an 830 and a 1030 and neither one of those has an autostop
> feature. And if you push "stop" on the clock, when you restart, they
> restart the mileage from zero. Now it has saved the previous ride and you
> can downlooad the same total mileage. But if you leave it, it measures
> the time from start to finish regardless of speed.
> 
It’s called auto pause and within each activity profile, I leave it off as
don’t want it paused during slow speed tricky MTB stuff as Strava and
indeed Garmin connect will make average speed calculations ie remove the
cafe stops and so on.

Unless your riding has no cafe stops? Or no waiting for mates to ride
together or no traffic lights or stops in general, it’s a very poor way of
displaying average speed, for example I often do a gravel ride to the pub
on a Wednesday, and spend a hour or more with mates there.

If you have a the Garmin set to no auto pause or don’t use Garmin Connect
or Strava to process the rides and calculate average speed etc, all your
doing is measuring cafe stops and other non performance metrics which is
isn’t remotely relevant!

Your averages on Garmin connect will be much more accurate as they don’t
measure faff and cafe time, ie how fast or not your riding.

Roger Merriman