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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: Ebay prices
Date: 10 Apr 2025 13:22:21 GMT
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 4/9/2025 11:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 4/9/2025 11:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> 
>>> But BigApple tyres are have a fairly robustly 
>>> construction, so tend to
>>> shrug off glass and so on attacks, generally needs 
>>> something significant to
>>> defeat them, such as nail which I could hear tapping as I 
>>> rolled along, and
>>> that the tyre was slowly loosing pressure.
>>> 
>>> Ie no need to try to find the culprit it’s always very 
>>> obvious! I think I’d
>>> be slightly embarrassed for the bike if it was punctured 
>>> by just a bit of
>>> wire!
>>> 
>>> Nice supple road tyres are obviously somewhat different, 
>>> the old school
>>> roadie has generally coped though it’s tyres are training/ 
>>> commute focused
>>> than summer rubber though does show signs of some minor 
>>> slashes, probably
>>> from glass, as it’s route does include the flyover if not 
>>> the underpass.
>> 
>> It seems obvious that thicker tread rubber would be less 
>> susceptible to flats.
>> 
>> The remark about "nice supple" tires leads me to ask: Does 
>> anyone have direct experience with the "supple" tires Jan 
>> Heine sells? I suspect they are made in the same factory 
>> that produces the Paselas I usually use. If so, what exactly 
>> are the differences? Is thinner tread rubber one of them? 
>> Perhaps finer casing thread? What else?
>> 
>> I'd love to see cutaway cross sections comparing his tires 
>> with Paselas, and perhaps with other brands and models.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yes, those are made by Panaracer.
> Yes, Panaracer offers several fabrics of various materials 
> and dernier.
> 
> Their new improved USA web pages don't have a section on 
> casing styles any longer:
> 
> https://www.panaracerusa.com/pages/about
> 
> Further information on the Japanese pages:
> https://panaracer.com/en/news/
> 
> with various fabrics for different model tires here:
> 
> https://panaracer.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/panaracer2024.4_EN.pdf
> 
> including TufTex, Agile-F, ASB (anti snake bite), AX-alpha 
> extra fine fabric, 400D extralight and 800D extra tough fabric.
> 
> and for some models, 'anti-flat' bands under the tread in 
> PR, TF, and ProTite.
> 
> with treads in carbon, silica, some gradiated (soft outside, 
> firm center) models.
> 
> In short, what you seek in tire features is not universally 
> what all other riders seek. Weight, price, cornering at 
> speed, traction in mud, tread longevity, puncture 
> resistance, reflective sidewall, resistance to crappy 
> surfaces or lack thereof and more.

Indeed the 4 bikes I have my preference for each one is altered, in terms
of what sort of performance I’m looking for and indeed even the
“performance bikes” what performance is different.

I’d argue that any differences are more pronounced off than on road, with
more variation in type and level of performance off road.

Roger Merriman