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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: No more gatrade
Date: 16 Apr 2025 20:56:30 GMT
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Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/16/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks
>>>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
>>>>>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be
>>>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four
>>>>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun
>>>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I
>>>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with
>>>>>>>> water.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of
>>>>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter
>>>>>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago
>>>>>> Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20
>>>>>> on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using
>>>>>> gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this
>>>>>> stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race
>>>>>> day you have not already trained and know what  happens.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and
>>>>>> worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the
>>>>>> heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40
>>>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the
>>>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and
>>>>>> in minutes was fine got up went home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
>>>>>> differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I
>>>>>> have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created
>>>>> an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and
>>>>> possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty
>>>>> much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to
>>>>> puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
>>>>> 
>>>>> *In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising
>>>>> can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut
>>>>> training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
>>>>> #:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after
>>>>>> topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then
>>>>>> night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking
>>>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171  pounds. During the race of
>>>>>> course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No gatorade.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The
>>>>> original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the
>>>>> 70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more
>>>>> on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty
>>>>> taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to
>>>>> HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar
>>>>> content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These
>>>>> days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically
>>>>> as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from
>>>>> 12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of
>>>>> course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
>>>>> 
>>>>> For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water
>>>>> (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a
>>>>> triathlon forum  I make at home.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
>>>>> - 1/4 cup of honey
>>>>> - 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
>>>>> - 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/
>>>>> products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a
>>>>> light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite
>>>>> a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the
>>>>> sugar.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
>>> 
>>> No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like
>>> that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for
>>> uptake while exercising.>
>>> 
>>> 
>> I’ve only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release
>> sugars, 
> 
> Turns out that carbohydrate uptake is something you can train (related 
> to "gut training" noted above).
> 
> The thinking used to be that carbohydrate was physiologically limited 
> within a range or 30 - 60 grams per hour depending on the individual. 
> REcent studies have shown that it's possible to not only train your 
> system to tolerate up to 120 grams per hour, but in the case of elite 
> athletes, to actually be able to metabolize that much for high intensity 
> sessions of long duration (an iron man triathlon or the Paris-Roubaix, 
> for example).
> 
> https://amacx.com/blogs/news/120-grams-of-carbohydrates-per-hour
> 
My main issue really is I don’t like the gels etc or at least the ones I’ve
tried so tend to use real food or breakfast bars etc so at best 30g a hour
or so.

Just back from evening Gravel loop plus pub with folks, which though I took
on fluid tend to use a squash so some sugars though not much, and once the
roadies are on the Summer loop which means they get to the pub a hour
earlier does mean one needs to a fairly quick loop, 13/14 mph average
compared to the more normal 11mph ish, over park paths/rooty single track
and so on.
> 
> though I generally don’t take it seriously enough and rely on my
>> generally robust nature regarding “bonks/suger crashes” though I’m
>> certainly much much better if I do!
>> 
>> Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any
>> kit!
>> 
>> Roger Merriman
>> 
> 
> 
Roger Merriman