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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: 21 Apr 2025 14:52:54 GMT
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John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 Apr 2025 09:14:04 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On 19 Apr 2025 22:22:34 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 18:24:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 14:17:02 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 11:21:48 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 04:28:32 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 23:02:10 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/18/2025 8:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm "Free speech scares some people"? I don't know about "scares" but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frankie's free speech calling you a coward certainly set you off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, it happened before that! Our timid tricycle rider entered his 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent snit before I ever used the word "coward."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was highly offended when I suggested he lacked the courage or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence to ride normal roads, and that his back-and-forth path riding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be OK for him, but too boring for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, my statement was in response to a guy who said there was no 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way riding near cars could be safe; and who can't even summon the nerve 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ride an empty suburban bike trail without having deadly weaponry 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately at hand, chambered and ready to fire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not seeing any evidence of courage there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> As if a wussie like you would know what courage is all about. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, what pissed me off was before that when Krygowski bragged by
>>>>>>>>>>>> posting a list of ineffective thing's that I was supposed to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> he'd done and demanded that I list, in detail, all of my bicycling
>>>>>>>>>>>> experiences...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years
>>>>>>>>>>>> commuting to work by bike on normal roads? How much other utility
>>>>>>>>>>>> riding have you done on ordinary roads? How much overnight or longer
>>>>>>>>>>>> traveling have you done on normal roads? How much bike camping? How
>>>>>>>>>>>> many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many foreign countries? How
>>>>>>>>>>>> many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than 100 miles
>>>>>>>>>>>> in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road
>>>>>>>>>>>> rides? How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your
>>>>>>>>>>>> courage and experience really are more than mine."
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qVoI4KQlAQAJ
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That posting told me exactly what kind of a person he was. He was
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to show the new guy that he was to be respected or else. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> called his bluff and now he hides from me knowing that whatever he
>>>>>>>>>>>> posts about me results in more humiliation from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> He actually thought that riding on a group bicycle ride was an
>>>>>>>>>>>> accompishment.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> His claims to fame are rather Self-Grandizing. 
>>>>>>>>>>> For example.  "How many foreign countries?" I've ridden a number of
>>>>>>>>>>> countries outside the U.S.(one a war zone) and I can assure you that
>>>>>>>>>>> other then which side of the road to ride in I saw essentially no
>>>>>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Really? Quite different cycling experience just locally and further afield.
>>>>>>>>>> As folks expectations differ.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> As for his other claims to fame... while he obviously feels proud, it
>>>>>>>>>>> appears from his writing that it is much a matter of "self
>>>>>>>>>>> gratification" and even yet more proof of his Narcissistic personality
>>>>>>>>>>> as those that suffer from this mental disorder have an unreasonably
>>>>>>>>>>> high sense of their own importance. They need and seek attention and
>>>>>>>>>>> want people to admire them. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> He might at worse overstate his experience ie difference between being a
>>>>>>>>>> tourist and living in an area even if only for a year or so.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I can't see that it matters much as to what country you ride your
>>>>>>>>> bicycle in. You mighrt have to know the different laws, but that's
>>>>>>>>> easy to do.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The laws are generally fairly uniform and the laws generally are broadly
>>>>>>>> similar.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It?s more cultural sort of stuff, ie what people expect.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't need a bicycle to do that. Actually, I believe a bicycle would
>>>>>>> be a hindrance when touring someplace I'd never been before. They move
>>>>>>> either too fast or too slow. Too fast to interact with people, and too
>>>>>>> slow to move from place to place.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bikes are absolutely not too fast to interact with people, depending on the
>>>>>> ride I?d have a possibility of encountering dog or otherwise walkers, Horse
>>>>>> riders, other cyclists.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And you stop and talk to them just the same as if you were just
>>>>> walking?  I don't.. I doubt you do either..
>>>> 
>>>> At the speeds i meeting folks on the trails it?s really not needed, these
>>>> are just minor good mornings, nice dog/horse/child interaction not setting
>>>> the world to rights over a drink!
>>>> 
>>>> Bikes are the fastest thing often and well I?ll need to not blast past
>>>> dogs/kids/horses.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes I?m unlikely to chat to someone as a plummet of the side of hill, but
>>>>>> it?s quite likely that I?d chat if very briefly at some point on the ride
>>>>>> unless it?s a one of the MTB rides into the hills ie remote areas.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe bike touring doesn?t appeal? Fine but clearly bikes are kinda human
>>>>>> level travel.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've done a lot of walking around in Caribbean countries. I met and
>>>>> talked to a lot of people. When I was sailing, I had a bicycle along
>>>>> with me, but it was only useful for transpiration. When I wanted to go
>>>>> out and about and meet the locals, which I was eager to do, I went for
>>>>> walks. My meager high school and college level Spanish improved
>>>>> dramatically on those walks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>> 
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I'm in a different culture I like to get involved in that
>>> culture, far away from the tourist traps. I want to ask questions and
>>> talk about our different cultures, food, and lifestyles. That can't be
>>> done with a simple good morning. That can't be done when you're riding
>>> around on a bicycle.
>>> 
>> 
>> A) as with most tourists traps, there is often if not always the locals
>> cafe/bars etc just around the corner if one is remotely observant.
>> 
>> B) which ever mode of travel one assumes to talk in a more expanded manner,
>> probably does require stopping which can be done by most forms of travel
>> though bike/hiking etc are much more human level of interaction.
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>> 
>> Roger Merriman
>> 
> The problem with the Local's Pub or Restaurant is that in many cases
> they don't speak your language (:-)
> 
That isn’t of its self a problem! At least in terms of getting a drink/food
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