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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: 21 Apr 2025 18:39:35 GMT
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John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 Apr 2025 14:52:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> 
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 21 Apr 2025 09:14:04 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 22:22:34 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 18:24:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 14:17:02 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 11:21:48 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 04:28:32 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 23:02:10 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/18/2025 8:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm "Free speech scares some people"? I don't know about "scares" but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frankie's free speech calling you a coward certainly set you off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, it happened before that! Our timid tricycle rider entered his 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent snit before I ever used the word "coward."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was highly offended when I suggested he lacked the courage or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence to ride normal roads, and that his back-and-forth path riding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be OK for him, but too boring for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, my statement was in response to a guy who said there was no 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way riding near cars could be safe; and who can't even summon the nerve 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ride an empty suburban bike trail without having deadly weaponry 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately at hand, chambered and ready to fire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not seeing any evidence of courage there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> As if a wussie like you would know what courage is all about. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, what pissed me off was before that when Krygowski bragged by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting a list of ineffective thing's that I was supposed to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he'd done and demanded that I list, in detail, all of my bicycling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiences...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commuting to work by bike on normal roads? How much other utility
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding have you done on ordinary roads? How much overnight or longer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traveling have you done on normal roads? How much bike camping? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many foreign countries? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than 100 miles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rides? How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> courage and experience really are more than mine."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qVoI4KQlAQAJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That posting told me exactly what kind of a person he was. He was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to show the new guy that he was to be respected or else. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called his bluff and now he hides from me knowing that whatever he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts about me results in more humiliation from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He actually thought that riding on a group bicycle ride was an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompishment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His claims to fame are rather Self-Grandizing. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example.  "How many foreign countries?" I've ridden a number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries outside the U.S.(one a war zone) and I can assure you that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other then which side of the road to ride in I saw essentially no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? Quite different cycling experience just locally and further afield.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As folks expectations differ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for his other claims to fame... while he obviously feels proud, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears from his writing that it is much a matter of "self
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gratification" and even yet more proof of his Narcissistic personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as those that suffer from this mental disorder have an unreasonably
>>>>>>>>>>>>> high sense of their own importance. They need and seek attention and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want people to admire them. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> He might at worse overstate his experience ie difference between being a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tourist and living in an area even if only for a year or so.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't see that it matters much as to what country you ride your
>>>>>>>>>>> bicycle in. You mighrt have to know the different laws, but that's
>>>>>>>>>>> easy to do.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The laws are generally fairly uniform and the laws generally are broadly
>>>>>>>>>> similar.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It?s more cultural sort of stuff, ie what people expect.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I don't need a bicycle to do that. Actually, I believe a bicycle would
>>>>>>>>> be a hindrance when touring someplace I'd never been before. They move
>>>>>>>>> either too fast or too slow. Too fast to interact with people, and too
>>>>>>>>> slow to move from place to place.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bikes are absolutely not too fast to interact with people, depending on the
>>>>>>>> ride I?d have a possibility of encountering dog or otherwise walkers, Horse
>>>>>>>> riders, other cyclists.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And you stop and talk to them just the same as if you were just
>>>>>>> walking?  I don't.. I doubt you do either..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At the speeds i meeting folks on the trails it?s really not needed, these
>>>>>> are just minor good mornings, nice dog/horse/child interaction not setting
>>>>>> the world to rights over a drink!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bikes are the fastest thing often and well I?ll need to not blast past
>>>>>> dogs/kids/horses.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes I?m unlikely to chat to someone as a plummet of the side of hill, but
>>>>>>>> it?s quite likely that I?d chat if very briefly at some point on the ride
>>>>>>>> unless it?s a one of the MTB rides into the hills ie remote areas.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Maybe bike touring doesn?t appeal? Fine but clearly bikes are kinda human
>>>>>>>> level travel.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've done a lot of walking around in Caribbean countries. I met and
>>>>>>> talked to a lot of people. When I was sailing, I had a bicycle along
>>>>>>> with me, but it was only useful for transpiration. When I wanted to go
>>>>>>> out and about and meet the locals, which I was eager to do, I went for
>>>>>>> walks. My meager high school and college level Spanish improved
>>>>>>> dramatically on those walks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I'm in a different culture I like to get involved in that
>>>>> culture, far away from the tourist traps. I want to ask questions and
>>>>> talk about our different cultures, food, and lifestyles. That can't be
>>>>> done with a simple good morning. That can't be done when you're riding
>>>>> around on a bicycle.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A) as with most tourists traps, there is often if not always the locals
>>>> cafe/bars etc just around the corner if one is remotely observant.
>>>> 
>>>> B) which ever mode of travel one assumes to talk in a more expanded manner,
>>>> probably does require stopping which can be done by most forms of travel
>>>> though bike/hiking etc are much more human level of interaction.
>>>>> --
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>> 
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>> 
>>> The problem with the Local's Pub or Restaurant is that in many cases
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