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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: Thoughts on industrial design
Date: 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
>> 
>> Yep.  I looked around for a stick shift model.  Except for my first
>> car, all have been stick shifts.  Driving an automatic makes me feel
>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver.  With a stick shift, I'm
>> part of the machine.  If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
>> probably be another stick shift.
> 
> I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed 
> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from 
> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!

Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
experience driving aren’t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
to help on motorways and similar.

I’m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I’m told that Tesla
isn’t the best in this category.
> 
> I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my 
> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond 
> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... 
> no, accelerator, and it goes.
> 
> Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue 
> for discussion.
> 
I’d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into “feel the force Luke”
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
shifting.

Roger Merriman