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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman <bowman@montana.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome Date: 1 May 2025 14:42:06 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: <m7hfhuF8mvgU2@mid.individual.net> References: <oG5OP.1820195$BrX.647879@fx12.iad> <slrn100kcgb.ds7.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> <slrn100kfa7.edd.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> <1irOP.851750$d51.585824@fx46.iad> <slrn100mumt.dkd.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> <vuh558$11toh$3@dont-email.me> <slrn100obf3.pd6.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> <slrn100oj38.81kf.ronb02NOSPAM@3020m.home> <slrn100pc7f.4e7.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> <thep0k1b5pb11jcp73kr5gjqvl45oeif77@4ax.com> <slrn100pf9j.5dh.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> <gpcs0kdouuo45fjagkfuk37krrjof4rk8i@4ax.com> <slrn100uqg1.ju6.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> <vuper1$pu5b$12@dont-email.me> <364QP.125792$oJg.4439@fx17.iad> <slrn1011nb7.46v.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> <ZW5QP.125793$oJg.79971@fx17.iad> <slrn1013uil.1aev.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> <hmpQP.125857$0qs5.26756@fx07.iad> <slrn10170g7.2qk.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net sooyY9T3l6Cv/AIyAr1mKwroMttRHhAYVV1AaoELlS5tztyi01 Cancel-Lock: sha1:QDGfsbs7qrEZic4G/6SULsBvib4= sha256:NDsy4HEHfP3WSMXwiFW4GZ+SbXaGSfxRoimzj6TGekE= User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Bytes: 2531 On Thu, 1 May 2025 14:15:35 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > That was my experience too. When I first used it, programs would just > dissapear, and leave a "core" file. Individual programs DID crash more > than in Windows, but they rarely took the system down with it. There > were fewer crashes on Windows, but they were often more catastrophic, > taking everything down with it. A Linux program crash, well, it just > vanished. At least everything else was usually untouchged. When I > found I could telnet into the system, on the occasions the screen did > freeze, I could either kill the process, kill X, or shut the system > down, at least avoiding an unclean unmount. Depending on how the program was built you could load the core into gdb and get useful information on why it crashed. windbg sometimes worked but more often was a disappointment. For a developer tools on Linux like valgrind or ElectricFence were superior to anything on Windows like Purify or BoundsChecker. The Windows tools not only were inferior but were expensive.