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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: millicode, extracode, fractional PCs Date: Fri, 2 May 2025 20:00:26 +0100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <m7kj2aFo79fU1@mid.individual.net> References: <vbgdms$152jq$1@dont-email.me> <vutp0q$qet7$1@dont-email.me> <Mn5RP.14541$5d9c.4348@fx39.iad> <m7k8mgFm0gbU1@mid.individual.net> <vv2v7r$17op$1@gal.iecc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net q6Pybanxvo/BGymfEYMRbQprHRc4wHw7w9zTk73ficTya/xN8R Cancel-Lock: sha1:FuCatSRFUJ0E1Q+tyrwYS+8BMsM= sha256:8QXJMqOxScmEc44mDAJtH+Rde7uFGB+IBCsrj9bivBs= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <vv2v7r$17op$1@gal.iecc.com> Bytes: 2112 On 02/05/2025 18:26, John Levine wrote: > According to moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk>: >> On 02/05/2025 16:18, EricP wrote: >> >>> And a paper on IBM Millicode which is kind of like Alpha PAL code >>> and may be similar to Robert's mega-ops. >>> >>> The What and Why of System z Millicode 2012 >>> https://share.confex.com/share/119/webprogram/Handout/Session11773/The%20What%20and%20Why%20of%20System%20z%20Millicode%20-%20%2311773.pdf >> >> Thanks for that reference. >> >> I struggle to see how "millicode" differs in essentials from >> the "extracode" implementation of complex orders on the >> Ferranti Orion & Atlas, or the ICT 1900 Series, of 60 years ago. > > It looks very similar. The main difference I can see from extracode > is that extracode used the same hardware instruction set as normal > programs but millicode has a few extra instructions not usable > in normal programs. So has extracode on the Orion and the 1900 Series. > Given that that deck credited Wilkes for microcode in the 1950s I'm > suprised they didn't mention extracodes. Surely they knew about it. Quite so. -- Bill F.