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From: ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
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Subject: Re: Frank Herbert: Dune vs. Hellstroms Hive
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In article <m7n1ieF5l0qU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <26dc1kh8svgjtj4bmg9o8f36ik8vkqtl61@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person  <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On 2 May 2025 19:26:13 GMT, Ignatios Souvatzis <u502sou@bnhb484.de>
>>wrote:
>>
>><snippo mucho>
>>>A few weeks ago, I brought some paperbacks to the book swap booth
>>>3 minutes[2] away, browsed what was there, and brought home "Dune"[3].
>>>
>>>I must confess that I never read Dune before. Nearest I came to
>>>reading was when I asked a fellow student from my dormitory whether
>>>I could borrow his copy, but he told me I wouldn't like it.
>>>(I wonder why. Maybe because the purely aristocratic organization
>>>of life depicted in it is quite the opposite of what my political
>>>activities from back then tried to accomplish...)
>>>
>>>Anyway, while I stumbled upon two different movies made of part
>>>of the books on TV (in the time when TV was something with a fixed
>>>program and you switched from channel to channel to find something
>>>you liked to watch), I never read the novel (or the followup
>>>novels).
>>>
>>>I read Dune now, at least the main story contained in three Books
>>>(Dune, Muad'dib, The Prohet). I didn't finish the volume yet, I
>>>arrived somewhere in the appendices.
>>
>>I believe these to be correct statements:
>>
>>When I first read /Dune/, I read it in /Analog/ as two different
>>serials titled "Dune" and "Prophet of Dune".
>>
>>These were combined (I have been told that this restored the original
>>planned novel, the division into two be something Campbell did) into
>>the book /Dune/.
>>
>>The split is where Paul and Jessica, fleeing the disaster, crash in
>>the Deep Desert. Paul has a vision of his future, and he doesn't like
>>it, because it is the vision of the Jihad. This was the climax of the
>>first serialization. The second half is the story up to the defeat of
>>the Emperor. Spice, after all, is the true ruler, and Paul controls
>>the Spice.
>>
>>/Dune Messiah/ was the next book. It takes place after the Jihad,
>>which was never described except in Paul's visions.
>>
>>Note: In addition to the Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild also engaged
>>in genetic manipulation, allowing "travel without moving". The
>>Sardaukar have been adapted to the air of Salusa Secundus. This is why
>>they fight, on planets where oxygen-breathers dwell, in hazmat suits
>>with tanks of their own air attached.
>
>Don't forge the Bene Tleilax
>-- 

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