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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Average speed
Date: 12 May 2025 13:30:05 GMT
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On 11 May 2025 19:56:17 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
>>>>>> to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
>>>>>> posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wrong.  It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
>>>>> command.  I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop
>>>>> logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on
>>>>> the way to a lavish Chinese lunch.
>>>>> <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
>>>>> "Crop Tool for Activities"
>>>>> <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava.  There are
>>>>> instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read
>>>>> don't look very easy or reliable.  
>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
>>>>> Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that?  There's no prices,
>>>>> acclaim or notoriety for doing it.  There are also people who would be
>>>>> happy to report anything suspicious.  It's just not worth the risk.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide
>>>>> some evidence.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "How to Report Cheating on Strava"
>>>>> <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>
>>>> 
>>>> This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw
>>>> turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.
>> 
>> Strava is rather better at flagging such stuff up, MTBers are common for
>> this, ie forget to turn it off, so have the drive home as well!
> 
> I just noticed that Tom suggest that:
> 
> "All you have to do isw turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your
> car..."
> 
> That's rather difficult because I don't walk much in areas frequented
> by motor vehicles, hike on paved roads, engage in racing, etc.  I
> suspect that Tom expects me to drive my car on the same narrow dirt
> trails on which I hike.  I don't think my Subaru will fit:
> <https://www.reddit.com/r/norcalhiking/comments/116xhb0/quail_hollow_ranch_county_park_feb_3_2023/>
>   
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/SuzNVahC97S6u4k28>
> Hmmm... Dec 20, 2019.  The current sign now includes 4(?) additional
> "No" items.
> 
>>> I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really
>>> bright days".  Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2.  Fortunately,
>>> things do look brighter at around noon.
>>> 
>>> I don't own a Garmin cycling computer.  I use a phone (Moto G Power
>>> 2020) and the free Strava app:
>>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strava>
>>> I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?)
>>> bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as
>>> needed.  Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it.
>>> 
>>> I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app.  It
>>> happens more often than I care to admit.  I solved that problem by
>>> hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder.  
>>> 
>>> I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to
>>> turn off the data logger.  I usually walk (not ride) in the morning
>>> and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later.  If
>>> you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays
>>> from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits
>>> somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT.
>>> <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>
>>> 
>>> Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all
>>> your saved data?
>>> 
>>> 
>> I rather suspect it showed his bragging rights to be rather unfounded!
> 
> Actually, Tom's Strava data didn't show many unfounded claims.  At the
> time, I was being very diplomatic and did NOT post many remarks about
> Tom's rides.  My only comments involved Tom making occasional mistakes
> and using his rides as "proof" whether Abbott Labs had closed one of
> their building in the area.  I didn't fact check all of Tom's rides,
> but the one's I checked were generally accurate for location and
> fairly inaccurate at to speed and distance probably because Tom didn't
> calibrate his speed and cadence sensor or crop is data the few times
> when he accidentally included a car ride.  I suspect the only reason
> Tom was posting his rides to Strava was because Lou Holtman had asked
> Tom to post his Strava rides (approx May 2021 thru Feb 2024).  
> 
>> I find it useful as a diary and as a social tool, plus I do like the route
>> builder as I like the path less traveled so can see if someone has used X
>> trail and when? Ie is it likely to exist on the ground or does it exist
>> only on the map and so on.
> 
> I record my rides on Strava mostly to impress my friends, some of whom
> are becoming couch potatoes (fat and lazy).  I also want to get better
> aquatinted with the program and how it works.  Also, because my
> cardiologist repeatedly demands that I get more exercise.

<www.veloviewer.com> will allow more geekery as with Strava is limited by
the accuracy of the units but interestingly nevertheless.
> 
>> Roger Merriman
> 

Roger Merriman