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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: Bradley Wiggins
Date: 15 May 2025 21:22:54 GMT
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Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/14/2025 11:16 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 May 2025 04:40:10 -0400, zen cycle
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5/13/2025 7:47 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>> On Tue May 13 17:01:33 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:
>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20250513-cycling-great-wiggins-admits-cocaine-addiction-after-retiring
>>>>> 
>>>>> He?s unfortunately being having a hard time, and has I believe been abused
>>>>> as a child which doesn?t excuse but perhaps explains but he?s certainly in
>>>>> a downward spiral.
>> 
>>>> Roger, addiction is entirely voluntary. Cocain is one of the easier
>>>> addictive drugs to bnreak free of. So if he keeps his addiction it is on him.
>>> 
>>> <gawd>
>> 
>> Actually, Tom is generally correct, as long as the circumstances
>> follow those in the study.  For Bradley Wiggins, I didn't see any of
>> the racial, ethnic, or social problems mentioned that might cause
>> problems.  If there were any, there's no way I could determine if they
>> were "voluntary".
>> 
>> "Probability and predictors of remission from lifetime nicotine,
>> alcohol, cannabis, or cocaine dependence"  (Nov 2010)
>> <https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3227547/>
>> TL:DR Summary:
>> <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2010.03194.x>
>> 
>> "Life-time cumulative probability estimates of dependence remission
>> were 83.7% for nicotine, 90.6% for alcohol, 97.2% for cannabis and
>> 99.2% for cocaine. Half of the cases of nicotine, alcohol, cannabis
>> and cocaine dependence remitted approximately 26, 14, 6 and 5 years
>> after dependence onset, respectively."
>> 
> 
> I have an addictive personality. Lucky it does not come out in drugs or 
> alcohol and I do like good beer. Never done any drugs. However my 
> addictive personality can come out in my running and cycling. Also, 
> there is a relationship with some people of religious believers and 
> practitioners that corresponds to addition.
> 
> No you just generally cannot stop and bingo. In my years working at the 
> welfare office, in my own childhood, and it my work as a deacon, the 
> only real stopper is the 12 step program. Yes, there are rare case of 
> those who walk away and never start again or even get help. They are 
> very rare but it happens.
> 
> Number one addiction now is internet pornography and it eats at person. 
> My understanding the the hardest addition to break and even years later 
> have urges is nicotine. A true alcoholic cannot ever drink once they 
> stop. They cannot go back to drinking socially or responsibly. I suppose 
> they could be exceptions but they would be exceeding rare.
> 
> My good friend a priest is an alcoholic. He has been sober since 1991 
> and never relapsed. Told me if he envied me that I could sit down and 
> drink one beer and stop. He said if he started he would end up dead. In 
> his case he still is a priest and consecrates the wine into the blood of 
> Christ at every Mass. He will take the smallest of sips of the Blood of 
> Christ as the elements remain but not substance.
> 
> If there is any left in the chalice after distribution he will ask 
> someone else to finish the consumption, he has done this many times when 
> I deacon the Mass for him.
> 
I believe Alice Cooper of rock fame has a very addictive personality and as
such despite the persona doesn’t drink etc, as he knows it would be the end
of him.

Roger Merriman