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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Leather Saddle Update
Date: 20 May 2025 12:02:12 GMT
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On 19 May 2025 19:08:52 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On 19 May 2025 15:12:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:48:53 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>>> <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
>>>>>> <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to- 
>>>>>>>>>> its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks 
>>>>>>>>> saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I
>>>>>>>> used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is
>>>>>>>> not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the
>>>>>>>> screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard
>>>>>>>> edges at the back with a jacket.  So I looked for and found a
>>>>>>>> replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
>>>>>>>> weatherproof and much more comfortable.  I then enjoyed using it it for
>>>>>>>> many years.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17.  Love it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE® active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road
>>>>>> bike I built in 2023.   
>>>>>> Same with the Bassano mentioned above. These are two pictures
>>>>>> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0186.JPG>
>>>>>> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0173.JPG>  I
>>>>>> took after using the Bassano on this bike in summer and in winter
>>>>>> <https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/IMG-2461.jpeg>
>>>>>> since 1996. It didn't need maintenance, ever.  Unfortunately, the saddle
>>>>>> got stolen with that bike, a while ago.   
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
>>>>> bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
>>>>> with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
>>>>> why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
>>>>> traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
>>>> 
>>>> Can?t say I have any discomfort though does vary, but my bikes have relaxed
>>>> positions and I?ve found a saddle that works which I fit to all of my
>>>> bikes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
>>>>> up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
>>>>> spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants. 
>>>> 
>>>> Not moving and load bearing isn?t particularly helpful health wise, Roadies
>>>> who move a bit more than you would can be prone to low bone density as with
>>>> anything it use it or loose it.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>> 
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Unless it's unusually wide, a saddle on a diamond frame requires that
>>> you're putting your weight on a small pieces of bone called ischial
>>> tuberosities. On the Catrike, that bone is still in play, but my
>>> weight is spread out over muscle tissue, and none of it is supported
>>> on my wrists. I ride with the same weight distribution as when I'm on
>>> my Lazyboy recliner.
>> 
>> People wouldn’t routinely ride bikes if it really was that uncomfortable,
>> they might need to swap saddles until they found the one or something.
>> 
>> And some folks don’t help themselves by attempting to hold aggressive pro
>> like positions when they are a middle aged club rider etc!
>> 
>> Yes some people can be uncomfortable, women in particular but for most it’s
>> a non issue.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>> 
>> Roger Merriman
>> 
> 
> For me, it was an issue, yet I rode uncomfortable diamond frame bikes
> for many years back in Wisconsin. A sore butt and sore wrists were
> pretty common for me back then. I was also into weight lifting and
> running and deep into no pain = no gain thinking.
> 
That is rather into a perhaps not a you thing but getting there ie bikes
don’t have to be painful!

I have had saddles that were less comfortable, not painful but definitely
not perfect. Luckily I’m far from a princess and pea so various saddles
that work for me.

Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90’s  MTB’s on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers
get arm pump but I’m less likely to a) brake b) to death grip as off road
kinda need to be more Yoda and let the bike find the line.

> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman
> 
Roger Merriman