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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Bicycle road test & review
Date: 20 May 2025 16:50:59 GMT
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 5/20/2025 3:30 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>> 
>> I wouldn't care if these motorcycles weren't marketed as bicycles and if
>> the successful lobbying of groups interested in selling them hadn't
>> resulted in these motorcycles being equated with bicycles by law in most
>> European countries.
> 
> I think it may be worse in the U.S. than in Europe. Our ebikes have 
> power assist to higher speeds. I'm hearing quite a few complaints about 
> fast ebikes buzzing by and scaring the sort of slow and fearful 
> bicyclists that use bike lanes instead of roadways, as well as the 
> pedestrians. Admittedly, I've not heard of any actual crashes yet in 
> that situation.

UK regulations are touch tighter again, mainly that bikes are either bikes
or a motorcycle/moped. And thus different regulations and allowed use, ie
you will get stopped sooner or later if you use bike infrastructure. Shared
space stuff in particular.

US regulations are very arguably too lax and more to the it’s a moped side
of things.
> 
> There's also been talk of trail damage in our local forest preserve, 
> which has always been open to mountain bikes but closed to motorized 
> vehicles. Our state, like most, legally pretends that the motors in 
> these things don't exist.
> 

Even this side of the pond, DJI is producing 1000watt motors which is
highly likely to get regulated as rather pushing beyond the this is a bike
at this point, which companies such as Shimano and so on, have kept a fair
bit lower and the bikes are well more bike like.

Roger Merriman