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From: vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
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Subject: Re: Microsoft Introduces New Command-Line Text Editor
Date: 21 May 2025 03:08:13 GMT
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On Wed, 21 May 2025 02:22:45 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote in
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> On 2025-05-20, Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> wrote:
>> On 5/20/2025 1:25 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:54:59 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> 
>>>>      Microsoft also wanted to avoid the “how do I exit vim?” meme, so
>>>>      it built its own text editor instead of relying on other
>>>>      available options.
>>> 
>>> I'll admit I wondered how to exit vim, or the original vi to be
>>> specific,
>>> but that was 45 years or so ago.
>> In the early 1980s (approximately when you were trapped in the vim
>> maze)
>> an excited colleague told me I just had to try out some new version of
>> EMACS running on our PDP10 farm at ISI - I had been using some other
>> editor. I was having some fun figuring out a few simple commands; then
>> I tried to exit: ctr x, ctr q, etc. After 15 minutes I screamed for
>> help. I avoided EMACS after that until a few years latter when I was
>> using the grown up adult version integrated into the Symbolics Lisp
>> Machine's development environment. Life had changed for the good.
> 
> I'd install "joe" since I'm a WordStar fan.
> 
> From the joe manpage....
> 
> syntax
>        joe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
>        jstar [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
>        jmacs [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
>        rjoe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
>        jpico [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
> 
> Description
>        JOE  is  a powerful console screen editor. It has a "mode-less"
>        user in‐ terface which is similar to many user-friendly PC
>        editors. Users of  Mi‐ cro-Pro´s WordStar or Borland´s "Turbo"
>        languages will feel at home. JOE is  a full featured UNIX
>        screen-editor though, and has many features for editing programs
>        and text.
> 
>        JOE also emulates several other editors. JSTAR is a close 
>        imitation  of WordStar  with  many "JOE" extensions. JPICO is a
>        close imitation of the Pine mailing system´s PICO editor, but
>        with many extensions and improve‐
>        ments. JMACS is a GNU-EMACS imitation. RJOE is a restricted 
>        version  of JOE,  which  allows  you to edit only the files
>        specified on the command line.
> 
>        Although JOE is actually five different editors, it still
>        requires  only one  executable, but one with five different
>        names. The name of the edi‐ tor with an "rc" appended gives the
>        name of JOE´s  initialization  file, which determines the
>        personality of the editor.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> It does not seem to have vi(m) in there....oh well.
> 
> pH in Aptos

I, too, am a fan of joe.  Have used it since 1992, when it came with
the MCC Interim distribution of Linux.

Since most of the people using our student-access system were familiar
with BBS editors, joe was the default editor on our system.

(I can use vi, but I like to say I use it to edit the Makefile so I can
build joe. ;) )

Oh:  And it's in Cygwin, so no reason not to use joe on Windows.

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