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Subject: Re: The CMBR Disproves the Big Bang. (realism)
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From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 17:38:44 -0800
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On 03/03/2025 02:27 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> W dniu 03.03.2025 o 19:14, Ross Finlayson pisze:
>> On 03/02/2025 02:32 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 03/02/2025 02:08 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>> W dniu 02.03.2025 o 18:41, Ross Finlayson pisze:
>>>>> On 03/02/2025 09:21 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>> W dniu 02.03.2025 o 17:42, Ross Finlayson pisze:
>>>>>>> On 03/02/2025 08:18 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>> W dniu 02.03.2025 o 17:00, Ross Finlayson pisze:
>>>>>>>>> On 03/01/2025 10:42 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 01.03.2025 o 23:52, Ross Finlayson pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/01/2025 09:38 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 01.03.2025 o 16:41, Ross Finlayson pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/01/2025 04:29 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 01.03.2025 o 11:53, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/28/2025 03:41 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/25/2025 05:27 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 23/02/2025 om 14:46 schreef Paul.B.Andersen:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Den 22.02.2025 20:18, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The velocity-distance relation fails to explain the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation because the latter is exactly the same in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the former would place us at exactly the center of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you still not understand that we are in the exact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centre of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the observable universe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't understand yet the relatitivity of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centre of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even at big bang an infinite universe is still a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is Piet Hein's take on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THE CENTRAL POINT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A philosophistry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am the Universe's Centre.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No subtle sceptics can confound me;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for how can other viewpoints enter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when all the rest is all around me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hard to argue with that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I know a girl called Trampoline, ...".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a line from a song with these lines:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "When I was three /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought the world revolved around me /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wrong."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Piet Hein is never wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In his own little world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is not an answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (except perhaps in your little world)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Us stronger mathematical platonists have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit more thorough grounding where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're all right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And not "not even wrong".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platonism has no relation with reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it has, it is no longer Platonism,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JJ locuta! Causa finita!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Amicus Plato, finito"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A strong mathematical platonism, that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> objects of mathematics are quite real,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a stronger logicist positivism,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we have a science about it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> combines the best of both the idealistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the analytic traditions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Often it's Hegel who's ascribed to having
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that sort of put together, best, then though
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are lots of kinds of soi-disant Hegelians,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're logical Hegelians, not polemical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, in the Wissenschaft der Logik, Hegel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> puts together quite a good theory. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it takes a bit of a thorough reading of Kant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to arrive at why the Sublime is extra-ordinary,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and besides that Kant and Schopenhauer and so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on have their "qualitas occultas", which in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way are sort of like "hidden a.k.a. supplementary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> variables of the real wave equation", has that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a super-classical sort of thinking, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Derrida and Husserl very much assert that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> objects of mathematics or geometry are beyond
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideal, quite real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Axiomless natural deduction
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> , a spiral-space-filling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> curve as a natural continuum, a Comenius language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> answering the fundamental question of metaphysics,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and so on: amicus Plato.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course this has a rather perfect philosophy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and theory of science to go along with a merest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> teleology, a causality and purpose of things,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> together make a theory where foundation is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-axiomatic, yet entirely logical and mathematical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The CMBR experiment thoroughly paint-canned
>>>>>>>>>>>>> older Big Bang theories, yet Steady State is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also unfalsifiable, so, as time goes on and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sky survey continues, it makes an older
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big Bang theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a continuum mechanics, ....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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