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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: From JoyceUlysses.txt -- words occurring exactly once Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2024 21:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Lines: 26 Message-ID: <mailman.103.1717897870.2909.python-list@python.org> References: <v3am2l$1qf6m$3@dont-email.me> <aef0bc5c-b0b6-4d7d-af05-cc22c165f327@DancesWithMice.info> <mailman.74.1717103931.2909.python-list@python.org> <v3bcgu$229eq$1@dont-email.me> <3dedbc3b-7db0-4a39-863f-56324d434b12@DancesWithMice.info> <8409fd89-8b42-43c4-8511-704d57b3a4be@tompassin.net> <2f37a78b-0757-4e1a-860a-9fe3f86200cf@wichmann.us> <CACwCsY5Ga8Lq8-gPZWSsEWbgmP+VKsF7DjLpN_GFbBEgjuPKBw@mail.gmail.com> <4VxdFT4zZtznVFy@mail.python.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Htsthz0GYBfhWu3bLY5gqgpdKwiZEVuGCCnL49/XCE1g== Cancel-Lock: sha1:MzoMjKwpkJGpr7aLNAH75B8B9EA= sha256:2cixVN7cc3rUJOCnc+rJeGKZ82YEoneV+sWy3LHrBwQ= Return-Path: <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org Authentication-Results: mail.python.org; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy); dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Status: OK 0.148 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.71; '*S*': 0.01; '"it': 0.05; 'junior': 0.09; 'something,': 0.09; 'contractor,': 0.16; 'from:addr:grant.b.edwards': 0.16; 'from:name:grant edwards': 0.16; 'specified."': 0.16; 'subject: -- ': 0.16; 'subject:words': 0.16; 'want,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'figure': 0.19; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.20; "isn't": 0.27; 'goes': 0.28; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.30; 'question': 0.32; '"this': 0.32; 'python-list': 0.32; 'window': 0.32; 'but': 0.32; 'from:addr:gmail.com': 0.35; 'people': 0.36; 'change': 0.36; 'really': 0.37; "it's": 0.37; 'case.': 0.40; 'true.': 0.40; 'something': 0.40; 'want': 0.40; 'initial': 0.61; 'job.': 0.62; 'clear': 0.64; 'down': 0.64; 'charge': 0.64; 'spend': 0.64; 'process.': 0.65; 'that,': 0.67; 'message-id:invalid': 0.68; 'right': 0.68; 'interview': 0.70; 'bid': 0.84; 'pin': 0.84; 'want.': 0.84; 'subject:From': 0.91; 'subject:once': 0.91 User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/> List-Post: <mailto:python-list@python.org> List-Help: <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <4VxdFT4zZtznVFy@mail.python.org> X-Mailman-Original-References: <v3am2l$1qf6m$3@dont-email.me> <aef0bc5c-b0b6-4d7d-af05-cc22c165f327@DancesWithMice.info> <mailman.74.1717103931.2909.python-list@python.org> <v3bcgu$229eq$1@dont-email.me> <3dedbc3b-7db0-4a39-863f-56324d434b12@DancesWithMice.info> <8409fd89-8b42-43c4-8511-704d57b3a4be@tompassin.net> <2f37a78b-0757-4e1a-860a-9fe3f86200cf@wichmann.us> <CACwCsY5Ga8Lq8-gPZWSsEWbgmP+VKsF7DjLpN_GFbBEgjuPKBw@mail.gmail.com> Bytes: 4555 On 2024-06-08, Larry Martell via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote: > The original question struck me as homework or an interview question for a > junior position. But having no clear requirements or specifications is good > training for the real world where that is often the case. When you question > that, you are told to just do something, and then you’re told it’s not what > is wanted. That frustrates people but it’s often part of the process. > People need to see something to help them know what they really want. Too true. You can spend all sorts of time getting people to pin down and sign off on the initial requirements, but it all goes right out the window when they get the first prototype. "This isn't what we want, we want it to do <something else>." "It does what you specified." "But, this isn't what we want." ... If you're on salary, it's all part of the job. If you're a contractor, you either figure it in to the bid or charge for change orders.