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Wed, 12 Jun 2024 15:56:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAHVvXxQFhuQOZHRai+zHOTYQNz83JqdxYvo-c+NORAXsz0N47g@mail.gmail.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/> List-Post: <mailto:python-list@python.org> List-Help: <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <CAPTjJmp3P=L6N-smnEFnY=q5_b6Tur4J7sZ_kGX3HYMtRf2qEQ@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailman-Original-References: <CAGJtH9QConSeiZfChKaJxz4wKovKj4XUASm5ckEf=zUuD=Pypw@mail.gmail.com> <mailman.111.1718191856.2909.python-list@python.org> <L7iaO.9557$IG21.6265@fx15.ams4> <004401dabce6$004569e0$00d03da0$@gmail.com> <399785e3-0cab-4e38-b219-89863a762d38@mrabarnett.plus.com> <004f01dabcef$95d76d60$c1864820$@gmail.com> <CAPTjJmo5sEbFWje5JHAREpVOsJHQ-u4ZtHzQAubS2ox41zDt4Q@mail.gmail.com> <007a01dabd10$8fda0f50$af8e2df0$@gmail.com> <CAHVvXxRTCSYK22Tc1qKz=9+=xbeA-BzgThLEEhqN2RRGxdgmiw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPTjJmqmsJcr4cOmT_PK1z9VGeEisOG+wEuiiZ+HALVwfbyHoA@mail.gmail.com> <CAHVvXxQFhuQOZHRai+zHOTYQNz83JqdxYvo-c+NORAXsz0N47g@mail.gmail.com> Bytes: 8099 On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 08:46, Oscar Benjamin via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote: > I don't know much about SSL and related networking things especially > on Windows. I would be surprised if pip on old Python can't install > from current PyPI though. I imagine that something strange has > happened like a new version of pip running on an old version of Python > or old Python on new OS (or old PyCharm...). > > There is no problem using Python 2.7 with pip and PyPI on this Linux > machine but I guess it has a newer SSL library provided by the OS: Sadly, I would NOT be surprised if this is indeed a problem on Windows. You're exactly right - on Linux, it can use a newer SSL library from the OS. Of course, this does assume that you've updated your OS, which is far from a guarantee, but since this has security implications there's a good chance you can update it while retaining a legacy system. On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 08:51, Greg Ewing via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote: > On 13/06/24 10:09 am, Chris Angelico wrote: > > So if anyone > > actually does need to use pip with Python 2.7, they probably need to > > set up a local server > > You should also be able to download a .tar.gz from PyPI and use pip > to install that. Although you'll have to track down the dependencies > yourself in that case. Also a possibility; in my opinion, losing dependency management is too big a cost, so I would be inclined to set up a local server. But then, I would be using a newer SSL library and not have the problem in the first place. ChrisA