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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: <avi.e.gross@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: RE: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 20:58:10 -0400 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <mailman.128.1718240295.2909.python-list@python.org> References: <CAGJtH9QConSeiZfChKaJxz4wKovKj4XUASm5ckEf=zUuD=Pypw@mail.gmail.com> <mailman.111.1718191856.2909.python-list@python.org> <L7iaO.9557$IG21.6265@fx15.ams4> <004401dabce6$004569e0$00d03da0$@gmail.com> <399785e3-0cab-4e38-b219-89863a762d38@mrabarnett.plus.com> <004f01dabcef$95d76d60$c1864820$@gmail.com> <CAPTjJmo5sEbFWje5JHAREpVOsJHQ-u4ZtHzQAubS2ox41zDt4Q@mail.gmail.com> <007a01dabd10$8fda0f50$af8e2df0$@gmail.com> <CAPTjJmrzJXvpLgFqJsM=3dXrVALmfO43LYJncGeZaeBH7i-G9A@mail.gmail.com> <00a201dabd1f$1dfd5b30$59f81190$@gmail.com> <CAPTjJmqQp5M8P4p36eEswoJy50opBzoCBjPEuJharg7236BTuw@mail.gmail.com> <00bd01dabd2c$c2dc9e60$4895db20$@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:58:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmqQp5M8P4p36eEswoJy50opBzoCBjPEuJharg7236BTuw@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQIBLf+WbaRehvVCCNMeeiXYsDGQsgEy5EwYAkDoBTwCDp2iVgH/SY2SAiDz9qQCPNYtPwLIngq4AHs9Yw0Bb5QM2QF/JqW5sOdq/UA= Content-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/> List-Post: <mailto:python-list@python.org> List-Help: <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <00bd01dabd2c$c2dc9e60$4895db20$@gmail.com> X-Mailman-Original-References: <CAGJtH9QConSeiZfChKaJxz4wKovKj4XUASm5ckEf=zUuD=Pypw@mail.gmail.com> <mailman.111.1718191856.2909.python-list@python.org> <L7iaO.9557$IG21.6265@fx15.ams4> <004401dabce6$004569e0$00d03da0$@gmail.com> <399785e3-0cab-4e38-b219-89863a762d38@mrabarnett.plus.com> <004f01dabcef$95d76d60$c1864820$@gmail.com> <CAPTjJmo5sEbFWje5JHAREpVOsJHQ-u4ZtHzQAubS2ox41zDt4Q@mail.gmail.com> <007a01dabd10$8fda0f50$af8e2df0$@gmail.com> <CAPTjJmrzJXvpLgFqJsM=3dXrVALmfO43LYJncGeZaeBH7i-G9A@mail.gmail.com> <00a201dabd1f$1dfd5b30$59f81190$@gmail.com> <CAPTjJmqQp5M8P4p36eEswoJy50opBzoCBjPEuJharg7236BTuw@mail.gmail.com> Bytes: 9436 Chris, You seem to have perceived an insult that I remain unaware of. I have no special knowledge, like you do, of plans made for changes to the pthon language and implementation. I was asking a hypothetical question about what some users would do if python came out with a newer major version. I have seen people often wait until some software that tries to get updated too frequently makes multiple updates and then finally give in and skip the intermediates. I wondered if something like a version 4.0 might get people still using version 2 might finally come around and also if some version 3 users would not be thrilled with something not stable enough. I have no favorite ideas here and can see a balance between adding features or fixing flaws and on the other side, not discomfiting many and especially when in many cases, the original people who wrote software are no longer there nor budgets to pay for changes. I looked up FUD and sharply disagree with suggestions I am trying to somehow cause Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt. I simply asked if another such update ... as a hypothetical. Had I asked what impact Quantum Computers might have on existing languages, would that also be FUD, or just a speculation in a discussion. Either way, I am taking any further discussion along these lines offline and will not continue here. -----Original Message----- From: Python-list <python-list-bounces+avi.e.gross=gmail.com@python.org> On Behalf Of Chris Angelico via Python-list Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 7:23 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7 On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 09:20, <avi.e.gross@gmail.com> wrote: > My point was that version 4 COULD HAPPEN one day and I meant INCOMPATIBLE > version not 4. Obviously we can make a version 4 that is not incompatible > too. This is still FUD. Back your words with something, or stop trying to imply that there's another incompatible change just around the corner. Do you realise how insulting you are being to the developers of Python by these implications? ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list