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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Cameron Simpson <cs@cskk.id.au> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Anonymous email users Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 11:34:16 +1000 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <mailman.139.1718415269.2909.python-list@python.org> References: <006901dabea6$4a159d30$de40d790$@gmail.com> <ZmzvmOaAodVIR8IO@cskk.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de s3+naJgSqakuumNsKJeSzg/K+rQBEfDTHsiJwr/PGZsA== Cancel-Lock: sha1:HhW8ae1DaLqVl10BX9AILHpt0LU= sha256:BA3CXtEo+TYlaSyQelKRAOLESGN7rO34PiKhdlugfmk= Return-Path: <cameron@cskk.id.au> X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org Authentication-Results: mail.python.org; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy); dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Status: OK 0.032 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'thread': 0.05; 'fake': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; "shouldn't": 0.09; 'subject:Anonymous': 0.09; "they've": 0.09; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.14; 'that.': 0.15; '(eg': 0.16; 'contact,': 0.16; 'discard': 0.16; 'from:addr:cs': 0.16; 'from:addr:cskk.id.au': 0.16; 'from:name:cameron simpson': 0.16; 'message- id:@cskk.homeip.net': 0.16; 'received:13.237': 0.16; 'received:13.237.201': 0.16; 'received:13.237.201.189': 0.16; 'received:cskk.id.au': 0.16; 'received:id.au': 0.16; 'received:mail.cskk.id.au': 0.16; 'wider': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'addresses': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'feedback': 0.23; 'anything': 0.25; 'examples': 0.25; 'cannot': 0.25; 'cc:2**0': 0.25; 'suggest': 0.28; 'it,': 0.29; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.30; 'community.': 0.31; 'community': 0.31; 'think': 0.32; 'assume': 0.32; 'unless': 0.32; 'but': 0.32; 'there': 0.33; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.34; 'invalid': 0.35; 'one.': 0.35; 'received:au': 0.35; 'respect': 0.35; 'request': 0.35; 'people': 0.36; 'hard': 0.37; 'edit': 0.39; 'valid': 0.39; 'list': 0.39; 'use': 0.39; 'on.': 0.39; 'want': 0.40; 'should': 0.40; 'likely': 0.61; 'miss': 0.62; 'point.': 0.62; 'here': 0.62; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'email': 0.63; 'personal': 0.64; 'expressed': 0.64; 'received:13': 0.64; 'spam': 0.65; 'benefit': 0.65; 'well': 0.65; 'received:userid': 0.66; 'role': 0.68; 'ones,': 0.69; 'reply': 0.77; 'reasons': 0.84; 'politely': 0.84; 'preference.': 0.84; 'reply-all': 0.84; 'stupid': 0.84; 'supposedly': 0.84; 'loss.': 0.91 Mail-Followup-To: avi.e.gross@gmail.com, python-list@python.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006901dabea6$4a159d30$de40d790$@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.13 (2024-03-09) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/> List-Post: <mailto:python-list@python.org> List-Help: <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <ZmzvmOaAodVIR8IO@cskk.homeip.net> X-Mailman-Original-References: <006901dabea6$4a159d30$de40d790$@gmail.com> Bytes: 5222 On 14Jun2024 18:00, avi.e.gross@gmail.com <avi.e.gross@gmail.com> wrote: >I notice that in some recent discussions, we have users who cannot be >replied to directly as their email addresses are not valid ones, and I >believe on purpose. Examples in the thread I was going to reply to are: > > <mailto:HenHanna@devnull.tb> HenHanna@devnull.tb [...] >I know some here suggest that we only reply to the wider community and >they >have a point. But I think there is a role for having some conversations >offline and especially when they are not likely to be wanted, or even >tolerated, by many in the community. > >Using such fake or invalid emails makes it hard to answer the person >directly or perhaps politely ask them for more info on their request or >discuss unrelated common interests. Worse, when I reply, unless I use >reply-all, my mailer sends to them futilely. When I do the reply-all, I have >to edit out their name or get a rejection. I often reply-all (meaning to the list and to the author). And edit the headers (frankly, often just to discard anything @gmail.com which has very stupid spam poolicies). If I miss an @invalid.com or whatever, then whoops. If I want to reply directly (eg for some kind of feedback rather than a list type reply) and they've got a bogus address, well then I don't. Supposedly my reply would be of benefit for them or I shouldn't be doing it, so their loss. But equally, if they don't want personal off-list contact, they've expressed their preference. I should respect that. Plenty of people have reasons to post anonymously, even to a list like this one. Just assume they've got their reasons and move on.