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I have found plenty of times I choose not to continue in public and waste time for people as in this reply on a topic I raised and now will move away from. I have in the past, for example, offered to help people and participate in aspects of their project that do not need to be viewed here, such as helping them find out how to adjust their graphical output to better fit their needs. Or, if someone mentions me negatively, I prefer not always replying in public to perhaps see if I misunderstood something or was misunderstood. I have lots of people I "met" in places like this that I keep in touch with privately and see that as a plus. For those who just want a business-like experience, no problem. For those who choose levels of anonymity or don't like being contacted, again, fine for them. The reality is that I have found people who show up in forums looking almost legit but actually are not at all who they appear or claim to be even when they have valid email addresses like MrSpock@gmail.com or even use names of real people you can search for on the internet but who are not actually the ones they may even claim. My message was not to say what people could not do, but to point out they may be missing out on what some see as collateral opportunities. The people I have helped privately would not have received it had they only participated through the group and I would not have received some chances to learn if I could not ask questions in private that clearly did not fit the purpose of the group. So, I am outa this conversation IN PUBLIC. LOL! -----Original Message----- From: Python-list <python-list-bounces+avi.e.gross=gmail.com@python.org> On Behalf Of Grant Edwards via Python-list Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 5:08 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Anonymous email users On 2024-06-17, Roel Schroeven via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote: > FWIW, personally I (mostly) don't see the point of replying to people > personally. To me a public mailing list is much like any public forum, > where my expectation is that conversations happen in public. To me it > always feels weird when I get a personal reply when I make a public post > in a mailing list. I mostly ignore those, unless there's really > something in it that's best kept out of the public. My sentiments exactly. I generally don't even read replies that get mailed to me. They almost always seem to be copies of replies that were also posted to the mailing list (which I read using an NNTP client pointed at news.gmane.io). -- Grant -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list