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From: o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2024 16:17:16 -0500
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:56=E2=80=AFPM Mats Wichmann <mats@wichmann.us> wro=
te:

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> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 8:51=E2=80=AFAM Mats Wichmann <mats@wichmann.us
> > <mailto:mats@wichmann.us>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 8/5/24 06:48, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> >      > On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49=E2=80=AFAM Mats Wichmann via Python-=
list <
> >      > python-list@python.org <mailto:python-list@python.org>> wrote:
> >      >
> >      >> On 8/3/24 20:03, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> >      >>
> >      >>> My question was, is and will be (and the doc absolutely doesn'=
t
> >     cover it)
> >      >>> how do I install a different version in the venv so that pytho=
n
> >     3.11.x on
> >      >>> the
> >      >>> system is not discombobulated by the python 3.12.x in the venv=
..
> >      >>> That python 3.12 would let me run the tools needed.
> >      >>> (Its the how to install the next version of python that I just
> >     haven't
> >      >> been
> >      >>> able to find information on - - - and I would be looking for
> >     information
> >      >>> on how to install on a *nix.)
> >      >>
> >      >> To get a different Python "in" the venv, you use the version yo=
u
> >     want in
> >      >> the construction of the venv. For example:
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >> $ python3.13 -m venv new_venv
> >      >> $ new_venv/bin/python --version
> >      >> Python 3.13.0b4
> >      >> $ source new_venv/bin/activate
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >   "https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/
> >     <https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/> PEP 668, which prevents pip fro=
m
> >      > interacting with the OS installed python. This change has been
> >     done in red
> >      > hat and other distros too . . . "
> >      >
> >      > similarly your first command produces and error code for the sam=
e
> >     reason.
> >      >
> >      > Sorry - - - not my policy - - -
> >
> >     What? Yes, the *system* pip should have some restrictions, if it's =
a
> >     system mainly managed by a package manager.
> >
> >     Setting up a venv is the *expected* approach to such situations, an=
d
> >     creating one doesn't cause any problems. You end up with a pip in t=
he
> >     activated venv that's going to install to a different path (the one
> in
> >     the venv), and will not be marked as externally managed, as the
> package
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