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On 4/08/24 08:17, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> Greetings
> 
> Looking at ESP8266 and wanting to program it using micropython (really
> don't want to have to learn C++ (not enough hours in the day as it is!!)).
> 
> One of the tools I need to be able to use is esptools - -  well in the
> devuan world you need to run that on either Devaun 3 or 5 - - - its just
> not available on devuan 4.
> 
> Tried installing all the tools I need using downloads and .deb installs but
> then I need to have python3.12 and that's also not part of Devuan4.
> 
> Not versed enough to set up a good venv (if that's possible) so that I
> could work in that specific venv and have my cake (and get to eat it too
> (grin!).
> 
> Suggestions - - - ideas - - - please?

Sorry if this offends, but this is a list of short-cuts and reasons why 
they don't work (immediately).


Have just come from a discussion about 'how to start a project'. Amongst 
the questions to ask are: "what resources do we have (or can add) to 
achieve?".

In this case, if Python-skill is a "personnel-resource" (and C++ a 
"constraint"), will question the ESP over Raspberry Pi (say)?

Why talking of Python 3.12 when the solution involves MicroPython?


Perhaps need to take a step back and look at 'options' - relate needs to 
resources, and evaluate the impact of each decision on later ones - as 
well as against your personal skills (modify objectives to limits, or 
accept that some learning/training will be necessary as pre-requisite to 
(being able to) attack the project).

-- 
Regards =dn

-- 
Regards,
=dn