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From: Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 at 16:50, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list
<python-list@python.org> wrote:
>
> On 2025-04-18 13:24:28 +1200, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
> > On 18/04/25 9:41 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> > > There's just not a really great answer to this.
> >
> > Seems to me a system-installed application shouldn't be looking in the
> > user's .local packages in the first place. That should only be for things
> > the user has installed "for this user".
>
> It's not the application that looks into .local, it's Python. If you say
> that a system-installed Python shouldn't look into ~/.local, then you've
> just disabled that mechanism completely. If not then Python would
> somehow have to distinguish between system-installed and user-installed
> scripts. This isn't as easy as checking whether the path starts with
> /usr/bin or whether it belongs to root. Tying into the system's package
> manager doesn't look appealing to me (not to mention that it might be
> unacceptably slow).

Couldn't the system-installed scripts have a shebang like:

#!/usr/bin/python3 -s

--
Oscar